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Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
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| Quote: Paull3v "Against the Aussies and New Zealand. No appeal to players otherwise.
sorry to use Evans as an example again but it would either be a international career of Wales vs scotland/Ireland or England vs Aussies/Nz. I know which id choose in that respect.'"
So that's a never then ?
And you cannot suggest where these players are going to come from ?
Good argument
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6731_1299024498.jpg [quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg |
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "We have England (elite), England Knights (reserve), England Lionhearts (RLC), BARLA Lions (NCL), England Students (SRL), Combined Services (Army, Navy, etc.), GB Community Lions (combined amateur), so why not the Championships?'" Great idea. Why don't we also have 'English players who's names begin with the letter A'? They can play against Ginger England.
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14417.gif OLDHAM RLFC
RUGBY LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP
WINNERS: 1904-05 1909-10, 1910-11, 1956-57
Runners Up: 1906-07, 1907-08, 1908-09, 1921-22, 1954-55
FIRST DIVISION
CHAMPIONS: 1904-05
RUGBY LEAGUE CHALLENGE CUP
WINNERS: 1899, 1925, 1927
Runners Up: 1907, 1912, 1924, 1926
LANCASHIRE CUP
WINNERS: 1906–07, 1909–10, 1912–13, 1918–19, 1923–24, 1932–33, 1955–56, 1956–57, 1957–58
Runners Up: 1897–98, 1900–01, 1907–08, 1909–10, 1921–22, 1956–57, 1957–58
LANCASHIRE LEAGUE
CHAMPIONS: 1897-98, 1900-01, 1907-08, 1909-10, 1921-22, 1956-57, 1957-58
Runners Up: 1895-96, 1896-97, 1898-99, 1899-1900, 1908-09, 1910-11, 1911-12, 1923-24, 1954-55
SECOND DIVISION
CHAMPIONS: 1963-64, 1981-82, 1987-88
SECOND / DIVISIONAL PREMIERSHIP
WINNERS: 1988, 1990
Runners Up: 1992
NORTHERN FORD PREMERSHIP
Runners up : 2001
NATIONAL LEAGUE TWO/CHAMPIONSHIP 1
Play off final runners up: 2007,2008,2009,2010:14417.gif |
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| alot of championship players opt for wales,scotland & ireland if eligible so having a england championship side would be very damaging to them imo
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6731_1299024498.jpg [quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg |
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| Quote: roughyedspud "alot of championship players opt for wales,scotland & ireland if eligible so having a england championship side would be very damaging to them imo'" Didn't stop the 'England Knights'.
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| Quote: Starbug "So that's a never then ?
And you cannot suggest where these players are going to come from ?
Good argument
Exactly it isnt going to happen, which is why we should have a GB team. Otherwise every single player of any quality coming through any home nation will jump ship becuase there is no incentive for them.
Did you know in the World rankings Wales are behind the Lebanon....
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14417.gif OLDHAM RLFC
RUGBY LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP
WINNERS: 1904-05 1909-10, 1910-11, 1956-57
Runners Up: 1906-07, 1907-08, 1908-09, 1921-22, 1954-55
FIRST DIVISION
CHAMPIONS: 1904-05
RUGBY LEAGUE CHALLENGE CUP
WINNERS: 1899, 1925, 1927
Runners Up: 1907, 1912, 1924, 1926
LANCASHIRE CUP
WINNERS: 1906–07, 1909–10, 1912–13, 1918–19, 1923–24, 1932–33, 1955–56, 1956–57, 1957–58
Runners Up: 1897–98, 1900–01, 1907–08, 1909–10, 1921–22, 1956–57, 1957–58
LANCASHIRE LEAGUE
CHAMPIONS: 1897-98, 1900-01, 1907-08, 1909-10, 1921-22, 1956-57, 1957-58
Runners Up: 1895-96, 1896-97, 1898-99, 1899-1900, 1908-09, 1910-11, 1911-12, 1923-24, 1954-55
SECOND DIVISION
CHAMPIONS: 1963-64, 1981-82, 1987-88
SECOND / DIVISIONAL PREMIERSHIP
WINNERS: 1988, 1990
Runners Up: 1992
NORTHERN FORD PREMERSHIP
Runners up : 2001
NATIONAL LEAGUE TWO/CHAMPIONSHIP 1
Play off final runners up: 2007,2008,2009,2010:14417.gif |
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| did'nt stop the england knights what?
theres no championship players in the england knights is there?
having a championship england team would rip the guts out of the welsh,scots and ireland squad
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: roughyedspud "alot of championship players opt for wales,scotland & ireland if eligible so having a england championship side would be very damaging to them imo'"
Why do they opt for the other home nations ?
Because it is the only way they will get to play representative RL , I doubt it would have a massive effect , and would create some excellent competition in the changing rooms
The issue you have with the Euro cup is that if you want to blood genuine Welsh,Irish,Scottish players you need a fairly level competition , you won't get that playing the three top nations , even the England seconds/knights will completely dominate that comp , as they did last time they played in it
You also have to ask the question of who are you trying to get interested in these countries from a spectator point of view ? , if people see one country completely dominate the rest , they will not be interested in watching it
You want sport to be competitive and unpredictable , you will not get that having teams made up of part time Championship players with a few ' real ' nationals thrown in against full time SL players
Even it up , have a few years of genuine competition , then look at the results and re assess , unfortunatley in RL we just keep trying to achieve what other sports have taken decades to achieve in five minutes
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6731_1299024498.jpg [quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg |
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| Quote: roughyedspud "did'nt stop the england knights what?
theres no championship players in the england knights is there?
having a championship england team would rip the guts out of the welsh,scots and ireland squad'" So only Championship players are able to play for home nations? Is that because you don't want them to compete with England?
I agree that the Championship team is a shocking idea. So are all these other joke rep teams.
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: roughyedspud "did'nt stop the england knights what?
theres no championship players in the england knights is there?
having a championship england team would rip the guts out of the welsh,scots and ireland squad'"
We have 20 clubs to pick from , with 20 players each , that's 400 players to pick 4 teams from , not including your Aussies that claim Irish,Welsh,and Scottish ancestry , so you don't allow any overseas players in the England team , I really do believe it would work
You make the England Championship team a genuine English/championship only team , the others end up a mix of Championship/SL/Aussies
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: headhunter "So only Championship players are able to play for home nations? Is that because you don't want them to compete with England?
I agree that the Championship team is a shocking idea. So are all these other joke rep teams.'"
Nut job
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| Quote: Starbug "Why do they opt for the other home nations ?
Because it is the only way they will get to play representative RL , I doubt it would have a massive effect , and would create some excellent competition in the changing rooms
The issue you have with the Euro cup is that if you want to blood genuine Welsh,Irish,Scottish players you need a fairly level competition , you won't get that playing the three top nations , even the England seconds/knights will completely dominate that comp , as they did last time they played in it
You also have to ask the question of who are you trying to get interested in these countries from a spectator point of view ? , if people see one country completely dominate the rest , they will not be interested in watching it
You want sport to be competitive and unpredictable , you will not get that having teams made up of part time Championship players with a few ' real ' nationals thrown in against full time SL players
Even it up , have a few years of genuine competition , then look at the results and re assess , unfortunatley in RL we just keep trying to achieve what other sports have taken decades to achieve in five minutes'"
Isnt this the same concept as the one you have been arguing with me about in terms of GB/Championship 13 teams ? except now your for it not against it?
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: Paull3v "Isnt this the same concept as the one you have been arguing with me about in terms of GB/Championship 13 teams ? except now your for it not against it?'"
Not me , which thread ?
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| Quote: Starbug "Not me , which thread ?'"
Yeah maybe that was a bit misguided.... my bad.
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| In an ideal world we wouldn't need the ' Exiles ' , in an ideal world England [ or a genuine GB ] would travel down under midseason either every year or at least every 2/3 rd year , they would play PNG , then NZ/OZ or OZ/NZ with the players realeased by their clubs with maybe a 1/2 week break in SL
But that isn't going to happen , is it ?
So how does England/GB get a competitive match mid season on the back of a couple of weeks training by the England/GB coach ?
Wales . Ireland . Scotland dont and wont for a long time be in a position to provide that , even if it was a combined team , the hope was that France would on the back of the Catalans improve enough to compete , unfortunatley at the moment they arent
So the only option is this other nationalities team , it is the only option
So then how do you prepare your second string players for the step up as unlike football and RU we dont have enough friendley matches to ' try out ' players ?
So the sensible option would be for them to play the French and/or home nations , but once again they are quite simply too strong for those teams , and it would be nothing more than a glorified training match
The answer should be to send them down under to play PNG, NZ Maori , Indiginous aussies/country aussies ,South seas islanders as they would get both the benifit of a tour enviroment and quality opposition well fired up for the task
Then you now have the problem of how to improve the home nations/France , both on the pitch with competitive games and trying to inspire interest in local players/fans/administration/investement ?
Well , there is only one answer , close competitive matches with teams of similar quality , the French have some SL players but lack numbers with many key positions taken by Aussie/NZ player even in Elite 1 , the home nations excluding England tend to have 3/4 lower SL quality players/3/4 aussies claiming ancestry with the rest made up of Championship players
So for their benifit if you were to add an England squad made up completely of Championship players with no SL or Aussies/NZs in it you would have a reasonably level competition with any of them potentially able to beat the other
And for all those posters constantly quoting the Italians participation in the 6 nations , that is RU , not RL , in union you can play defensibly to retain possession for long periods in the hope of getting either a penalty or field position to kick a drop goal , that doesn't happen in RL , it is a completely different scenario it should not be used
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14417.gif OLDHAM RLFC
RUGBY LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP
WINNERS: 1904-05 1909-10, 1910-11, 1956-57
Runners Up: 1906-07, 1907-08, 1908-09, 1921-22, 1954-55
FIRST DIVISION
CHAMPIONS: 1904-05
RUGBY LEAGUE CHALLENGE CUP
WINNERS: 1899, 1925, 1927
Runners Up: 1907, 1912, 1924, 1926
LANCASHIRE CUP
WINNERS: 1906–07, 1909–10, 1912–13, 1918–19, 1923–24, 1932–33, 1955–56, 1956–57, 1957–58
Runners Up: 1897–98, 1900–01, 1907–08, 1909–10, 1921–22, 1956–57, 1957–58
LANCASHIRE LEAGUE
CHAMPIONS: 1897-98, 1900-01, 1907-08, 1909-10, 1921-22, 1956-57, 1957-58
Runners Up: 1895-96, 1896-97, 1898-99, 1899-1900, 1908-09, 1910-11, 1911-12, 1923-24, 1954-55
SECOND DIVISION
CHAMPIONS: 1963-64, 1981-82, 1987-88
SECOND / DIVISIONAL PREMIERSHIP
WINNERS: 1988, 1990
Runners Up: 1992
NORTHERN FORD PREMERSHIP
Runners up : 2001
NATIONAL LEAGUE TWO/CHAMPIONSHIP 1
Play off final runners up: 2007,2008,2009,2010:14417.gif |
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| Quote: headhunter "So only Championship players are able to play for home nations? Is that because you don't want them to compete with England?
I agree that the Championship team is a shocking idea. So are all these other joke rep teams.'"
erm....what??? lol
alot of championship players,who obviously are'nt good enough for super league and there for are'nt good enough for england,exercise their right under RLIF rules to play for another nations via the heritage law....bring in a mickey mouse england championship side then these players that have been the backbone of the the celtic nations for the past 20odd years might opt to stick with the england championship side instead..
do you understand???
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