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Quote: tb "I thought the RFL only guaranteed Champ place after the agreement to stay at 14? And it surprised a few

great idea fella, then after a couple of years they could be called emley wildcats and then a few years later just emley!!!!!you know where i am coming from fella dont you icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

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Quote: SmokeyTA "No, im not, im not sure why you have got so hung up on Glasshoughton and whether or not it is part of Cas. There still isnt that many people in Cas, which is the point it am making. Why would people identify with a team called Cas, when there are very few people from Cas?'"


Glasshoughton is part of Cas, there's no debate there, in fact it actually shares an electoral ward with Castleford town centre.

You say there aren't that many people in Cas, but it does have a population approaching 40000 and is neighboured by four towns with populations ranging from 13000 to 30000, three of which don't have professional RL teams. Then to the east, the nearest neighbouring clubs are 40-odd miles away which actually leaves the club with quite a large catchment area, from where large numbers of support already eminate.

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Quote: Asgardian13 "Apart from the SL clubs not wanting to share the TV cash out more widely, another solid reason for not expanding to 16 clubs is simply that there is not enough playing talent around to provide two extra SL quality sides.'"


One side would be Toulouse [ so no British players needed there ] , and so only one other , Widnes would take the best of the Championship , a couple of their ' yoof ' and fill up with mediocre aussies like the rest of SL

No problem

SL just keeps getting better and better icon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: Starbug "Apart from the SL clubs not wanting to share the TV cash out more widely, another solid reason for not expanding to 16 clubs is simply that there is not enough playing talent around to provide two extra SL quality sides.'"


One side would be Toulouse [ so no British players needed there ] , and so only one other , Widnes would take the best of the Championship , a couple of their ' yoof ' and fill up with mediocre aussies like the rest of SL

No problem

SL just keeps getting better and better
Have you not been listening to what we have been telling you? eusa_naughty.gif

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Quote: Bonzo "

Glasshoughton is part of Cas, there's no debate there, in fact it actually shares an electoral ward with Castleford town centre.'"
you are right, there is no debate there.

Quote: Bonzo "You say there aren't that many people in Cas, but it does have a population approaching 40000 and is neighboured by four towns with populations ranging from 13000 to 30000, three of which don't have professional RL teams. '"
And why would these three towns identify with Castleford?
Quote: Bonzo "Then to the east, the nearest neighbouring clubs are 40-odd miles away which actually leaves the club with quite a large catchment area,'"
and why would people from 20miles to the east, who probably havent heard of Castleford identify with castleford?
Quote: Bonzo "from where large numbers of support already eminate.'"
if that were true the attendances wouldnt be so low.

Also when the idea of mergers or stadium sharing comes up, we see arguments from Cas and Wakefield fans that they wouldnt watch a team not named after their town/city that wasnt in newmarket/glasshoughton (depending on their affiliation) when the distance between those two towns border each other, Cas is in Wakefield and its about 5 miles from Newmarket to Cas.

Yet now we see Wakefield proposing to move much further away to Barnsley, and Castleford saying they have a target market of places not in Castleford where people WILL come and watch a team that isnt named after their town/city and will come from as far away as 20 miles to the east and local towns with different names.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "
And why would these three towns identify with Castleford?'"

They are Pontefract, Knottingley and Normanton - all RL hotbeds with no professional team. If they want to watch the pro game, chances are they'll go for one of the nearest, not to mention that Cas is the largest town of the five-towns area.

Quote: SmokeyTA "and why would people from 20miles to the east, who probably havent heard of Castleford identify with castleford?

if that were true the attendances wouldnt be so low.'"

I suspect there are very few people within 20 miles who haven't heard of Castleford, but in reality if there's a fanbase in an area there's always the potential for that fanbase to grow. For example there's a large Castleford fanbase in Selby. The presence of Xscape and Junction 32 are also helping to raise the profile of the area as a whole and with a new stadium located on that development it'll be interesting to see what impact this has.

Quote: SmokeyTA "Also when the idea of mergers or stadium sharing comes up, we see arguments from Cas and Wakefield fans that they wouldnt watch a team not named after their town/city that wasnt in newmarket/glasshoughton (depending on their affiliation) when the distance between those two towns border each other, Cas is in Wakefield and its about 5 miles from Newmarket to Cas.

Yet now we see Wakefield proposing to move much further away to Barnsley, and Castleford saying they have a target market of places not in Castleford where people WILL come and watch a team that isnt named after their town/city and will come from as far away as 20 miles to the east and local towns with different names.'"

Cas were open to the idea of a feasibility study into a potential groundshare - it was Wakefield who burnt that particular bridge by refusing it outright.

It's reasonable for all clubs to aspire to expand their fanbase, why should Cas be any different just because it's a town with a 40k population? There are a lot of people who don't live in Cas but have links to the town and identify with it in that way, hence a geographically widespread fanbase. As for those who come that don't have links, well you'd have to ask them but I suspect a combination of good marketing, an entertaining product, and a decent family day out.

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Quote: Bonzo "
They are Pontefract, Knottingley and Normanton - all RL hotbeds with no professional team. If they want to watch the pro game, chances are they'll go for one of the nearest, not to mention that Cas is the largest town of the five-towns area.'"
so the people in Knottingly, or Normanton, who live in Wakefield, why wouldnt they go watch Wakefield?

Quote: Bonzo "I suspect there are very few people within 20 miles who haven't heard of Castleford, but in reality if there's a fanbase in an area there's always the potential for that fanbase to grow. For example there's a large Castleford fanbase in Selby. The presence of Xscape and Junction 32 are also helping to raise the profile of the area as a whole and with a new stadium located on that development it'll be interesting to see what impact this has.'"
outside RL, There would me no reason people would have, christ even Xscape pretends its in Leeds.

Quote: Bonzo "Cas were open to the idea of a feasibility study into a potential groundshare - it was Wakefield who burnt that particular bridge by refusing it outright.

It's reasonable for all clubs to aspire to expand their fanbase, why should Cas be any different just because it's a town with a 40k population? There are a lot of people who don't live in Cas but have links to the town and identify with it in that way, hence a geographically widespread fanbase. As for those who come that don't have links, well you'd have to ask them but I suspect a combination of good marketing, an entertaining product, and a decent family day out.'"
Why do you think they are so many people with links to a pretty small town? These people arent coming to watch Cas, if they were the attendance wouldnt be so low.

As i said, you couldnt wish for a better location for a stadium than Glasshoughton, but if Cas dont find a way to get people to identify with them, they cant build that support. Cas is a small town, among numerous small towns in Wakefield. Wakefield itself struggles to identify itself as separate from Leeds. How are Cas going to sell themselves as the name to align yourself with over and above the much bigger names of Leeds and Wakefield, which are places a fair amount of your fans actually live.

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Why would people identify with Arsenal? It's not as if it's an actual place is it?

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Quote: SmokeyTA "You say there aren't that many people in Cas, but it does have a population approaching 40000 and is neighboured by four towns with populations ranging from 13000 to 30000, three of which don't have professional RL teams. why would these three towns identify with Castleford?[/quote]

And why would'nt they identify themselves with Castleford?



Quote: SmokeyTA "Then to the east, the nearest neighbouring clubs are 40-odd miles away which actually leaves the club with quite a large catchment area, and why would people from 20miles to the east, who probably havent heard of Castleford identify with castleford? from where large numbers of support already eminate.if that were true the attendances wouldnt be so low.'"


They just might have probably heard of them as probably not heard of them a poor basis on which to base your flimsy argument on, this is not probably but Cas will have far more supporters than the Rhinos based on the percentage of the population of both towns.



Quote: SmokeyTA "Also when the idea of mergers or stadium sharing comes up, we see arguments from Cas and Wakefield fans that they wouldnt watch a team not named after their town/city that wasnt in newmarket/glasshoughton (depending on their affiliation) when the distance between those two towns border each other, Cas is in Wakefield and its about 5 miles from Newmarket to Cas.'"


Its so easy to make things up to try and confuse the issue which you seem intent on doing regarding ground share oh and fwiw Cas is in Cas and are just in the unfortunate position like Wakey of having to share a council instead of having their own.

Quote: SmokeyTA "Yet now we see Wakefield proposing to move much further away to Barnsley, and Castleford saying they have a target market of places not in Castleford where people WILL come and watch a team that isnt named after their town/city and will come from as far away as 20 miles to the east and local towns with different names.'"
'"


Its well documented that Wakey have to move out of BV after next season, so what is wrong with going to Barnsley they have to go somewhere as well you know, unless of course you are too stupid to comprehend that which I doubt you are. I suspect what Cas are saying is that they need to target areas that do not have profesional rugby played in their area in order to keep up with the lucky ones, but once again you are turning comments around to suit your argument trying to make people look stupid, the answers dont always differentiate the comedian from the clown though.

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