Wait, hang on...RLFans.com is responsible for lower Wembley crowds...

Challenge Cup is a dying/dead tournament, poor attendances in every round. Throw in there's too many games it's just time to get rid of it.

Could you imaging football doing the same with the FA Cup ??

Clearly the Challenge Cup is not quite right at the moment and THE main reason is the move to summer rugby and the emphasis for success all driven towards the GF.
To abolish the cup, along with almost 130 years of history would be a very, very sad day for the sport.
As with many things that are wrong with our sport, the promotion of the cup is terrible.
Even the addition of the 1895 final to Cup Final Day was done the wrong way round.
Having the lower ranked game on after the main event was mickey poor.
IF we ware going to have any double header events, the lower grade game has to be played first. It's like going to a gig and putting the support band up second

I agree

The final needs moving back 6-8 weeks away from summer holidays.

Scrap this seeding system aswell and go back to random draw. Losing the shock factor of two big teams going head to head in first round proper just takes the excitement of the draw away, now every super league team knows they are more than likely having to play pretty much 3 super league teams to get to the final. Each round should be every 3 weeks and 4 weeks from semi to final.

Scrap magic weekend as that's has served very little purpose, attendance their as stalled and was never really that great anyway. Make the CC weekend the big day out weekend again. Having it 2-3 months away from the grand final means they two events will not interfere with each other so much.

I don't see why creating that bit of random draw surprise rounds played at regular intervals and only the grand final as the ther. It occasion will not help get some cup magic back again. It's never going to be the biggest event ever again the Grand final has that and so it should be, be no reason why it cannot be a close second.

I agree with an unseeded draw.
The magic of the cup, be it football or rugby league is that the smaller teams have the chance of playing the big teams. Ok, so they may risk running up a big score, but SL teams have big enough squads to make use of.
Big boost to the smaller teams coffers too.

Put the end of season back to Oct 31st

Top 30 pro clubs plus top 2:amateur. split into East and west. round 1 replaces magic and summer bash with 16 west clubs playing at Blackpool and 16 East clubs playing at Newcastle. Unseeded. (solves problem of the 'odd' fixture.) Play for decent prize money.

Further rounds normal CC but let's use the Oct 31 end to allow clubs plenty of rest weeks (and the fans a holiday). These games not being on SKY should be played on traditional weekend afternoons.

London Wembley is an outdated tradition and with folk travelling 4hours by car and coach it's a complete waste of human endeavour. Etihad stadium is having its surrounding redeveloped with hotels and restaurants - 55000 capacity will mean sell outs and a higher ticket price made affordable by easier travel which will give the RFL the revenue they need.


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But is it defeatist I love Wembley the old Wembley I have been to the new Wembley loads of time has well it is not has good has old I think time to move it from their with a better date

no but really...RLFans.com is responsible for low crowds at Wembley
Come on now

I'm not sure that's right, because the Grand Final, which is explicitly Super League focused, often has fans from all the clubs from all the leagues. It's just never recovered from the demolition of the old Empire Stadium, because other concepts grew, such as Magic, and the new Wembley doesn't have the tradition of the old Wembley.

If you move it from Wembley you might as well just scrap it. Since scrapping it now would make us Cup holders for eternity, I'd be okay with that.

That's a fair point but, Football seems to have coped with the upgrade and the FA cup final is still revered in most quarters.
The major difference is that, unlike RL, the FA Cup final is still just about the last act of the football season, whereas, we now focus on the GF.
You could say that the Challenge Cup is now more akin to the old League Cup in football and that too has lost most of it's kudos.

The FA Cup is nowhere near the standard that it once was. Look at the teams most managers put out throughout the tournament, with even smaller clubs prioritising league places, staying up, getting promoted or whatever, and treating the Cup as an inconvenience. The reason why the final still sells out easily is because it's more often than not contested between clubs who have far larger fan bases than any rugby league club. No one sees it as a massive competition or dreams of winning it anymore though.