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[quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg



Quote: GUBRATS "No reason whatsoever

It is a difficult situation , do we shove every person wanting a SL place in there , or do we make the ' prove themselves ' 1 st

Unlike any other sport we are desperate to expand , this makes us do things that carry risk , the current risk is that we mess up the lower tiers for a couple of years

The opposite risk is we risk damaging 1 current SL club by dropping them for a potential expansion project

There is no easy answer , there is no scenario where we don't damage part of the club'"
If only there was a system that catered for this type of thing, some type of 'licensing' system or something like that.

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Quote: headhunter "If only there was a system that catered for this type of thing, some type of 'licensing' system or something like that.'"


That doesn't answer the conundrum I presented , don't act stupid , you aren't

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Quote: GUBRATS "No reason whatsoever

It is a difficult situation , do we shove every person wanting a SL place in there , or do we make the ' prove themselves ' 1 st

Unlike any other sport we are desperate to expand , this makes us do things that carry risk , the current risk is that we mess up the lower tiers for a couple of years

The opposite risk is we risk damaging 1 current SL club by dropping them for a potential expansion project

There is no easy answer , there is no scenario where we don't damage part of the club'"

What on earth are Toronto proving right now? What did Toulouse prove last year? What did Leigh prove in the years before?

The only thing any of those three clubs have proved conclusively is that if you spend big money and play against part-timers, you will win at a canter. How many times do we need to learn that?

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Quote: GUBRATS "That doesn't answer the conundrum I presented , don't act stupid , you aren't'"

It isnt a conundrum, you just don't like the answer.

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Some clubs don't want Sooper Dooper League. Hunslet & Dewsbury won 'league one/play off final' (as it was back then), and doubt Batley want it either.

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Quote: Charlie Sheen "If they'd have been put straight into SL or the championship everyone would be complaining about them not earning the right to be there (despite them having everything in place to be an SL club). They were put into league 1 to appease the flat cap brigade, and now they're giving every team in the division a good towelling, those same people whinging even more.'"



Take a bow, Sir! a014.gif What an exercise in futility it is though. The scorelines will likely be higher when Toronto play at home, and could conceivably hit 3 figures. There could be a few thousand fans there who won't actually get to see a proper game of rugby, just an annihilation - will they return?

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Quote: headhunter "Why don't they? They have had 66 years. Toronto have had less than one. Why could they achieve so easily in one year what Doncaster have been unable to do in 66?'"


You could argue that they have achieved in 1 year what it took Leeds,Wigan,Saints,Giants and all the rest a hundred years to achieve

Daft argument

Happy for you to provide a sensible answer to accomadate the whole sport ?

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[quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg



Quote: GUBRATS "You could argue that they have achieved in 1 year what it took Leeds,Wigan,Saints,Giants and all the rest a hundred years to achieve '"
Not really, I doubt Toronto could claim to be on the same level as those clubs yet, although they would probably be able to outspend some SL clubs who still don't spend the full cap. But that's not the point, the point is that in less than one year they have clearly been able to surpass to a ludicrous extent clubs with 60+ years history. And you can't blame Toronto or the RFL for that.

Quote: GUBRATS "Happy for you to provide a sensible answer to accomadate the whole sport ?'"
The best answer is one where the strongest clubs are in the highest division. Which is what we had, but people didn't like it. So now we have a system where meek part time clubs are being toweled and nobody can complain about it IMO because this is what they wanted.

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a lot of finger pointing at the RFL and Toronto

most people expected blow out scores, it wasnt going to be difficult to see that! but they are abiding by the rules of the game, starting from the bottom and spending what they are allowed too, sanctioned and pushed by other clubs chairman irrc


just a side point, why isnt anybody questioning keighley then? gave the wolfpack a game the other week yet went 2 points better than them on the pitch this weekend beating hemel 6-84!

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As others have said, it's a pointless year and must be boring to play in and it certainly isn't great to watch, I suppose a bit like Rovers, but not sure what choice the RFL had.

Agree with the posters above questioning why they are still signing players, would be better playing 2/3 young players each week, they would still win easily, but would help future development.

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I imagine that this year is more about them learning about the issues they have off the field than on it, mainly about the logistics of being a transatlantic team.

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Quote: number 6 "a lot of finger pointing at the RFL and Toronto

most people expected blow out scores, it wasnt going to be difficult to see that! but they are abiding by the rules of the game, starting from the bottom and spending what they are allowed too, sanctioned and pushed by other clubs chairman irrc


just a side point, why isnt anybody questioning keighley then? gave the wolfpack a game the other week yet went 2 points better than them on the pitch this weekend beating hemel 6-84!'"


Hemel shouldn't be in this league for the completely opposite reason. They are currently conceding an average of 66 points per game so far this year so it's no surprise Keighley put 84 on them, just as Barrow put 82 past them recently. God knows how many Toronto will beat them by especially as the game is in Canada.

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Quote: number 6 "a lot of finger pointing at the RFL and Toronto

most people expected blow out scores, it wasnt going to be difficult to see that! but they are abiding by the rules of the game, starting from the bottom and spending what they are allowed too, sanctioned and pushed by other clubs chairman irrc


just a side point, why isnt anybody questioning keighley then? gave the wolfpack a game the other week yet went 2 points better than them on the pitch this weekend beating hemel 6-84!'"

I was hoping someone would mention Keighley!

League 1 is in transition. It always will be a mix of old clubs struggling, new clubs struggling, ambitious new clubs, ambitious old clubs, sleeping giants, etc. That's what you'll get down there.

It feels like people want to complain when a new club come in for any reason they can find...
They're too rich
They're not rich enough
They're too far away
There's a club close enough
They shouldn't be in this league
They should be in that league
They've got to prove themselves
They're too good for this league
They should have to field locals
They aren't strong enough with locals.

Seriously, what do people want?!

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Shame on the teams being hammered. But it's the fairest way. Judging how Bradford are doing, it would be a shame if Bradford were put in League 1 and their place went to Toronto.

Cant for the life of me think why Wolfpack are wasting money on players coming to the end of their careers and are not needed.
If they go the season undefeated, isnt that far more of a turn off to a fan than games that least pretend to be competitive?

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Typical Rugby League, you can give people Utopia and they'd complain about the colour of the curtains.

Blowouts in League 1 aren't uncommon, it's just where the club is based that some folk clearly don't like. Toronto now has 4 pubs showing the games live throughout the city and the closest to Lamport, the Brazen Head, is getting busier each week. There is a significant buzz about Toronto having a winning team for a change when you're used to the Leafs ;o)

People know this year will likely be an easy start, but many are appreciating that start from the bottom, playing smaller clubs with histories, they are learning the game and appreciate the smaller, community game for what it is as the base for the whole sport. Let the new fans grow too, show a little patience. Should more North American teams enter with more funds coming from more lucrative TV deals over here, should more fans over here demand Rugby League be shown the better off all of Rugby League will be.

As far as travel goes, with costs covered for the next 3 years, it comes down to arranging with employers which, in reality, shouldn't be much of an issue as it's a chance to promote themselves as well if it's viewed that way. Take a leaf out of Toronto's playbook and create some buzz about it.

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