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Few stand outs that shouldn't be anywhere near the England squad in Cudjoe, Farrell, Smith & Westwood.

Outside of that it's a strong looking squad.

Is Shenton unavailable for selection? Because Cudjoe over him is pretty laughable if not.

McGuire for Smith
Cuthbertson for Westwood
Shenton for Cudjoe
Watts for Farrell
Would make the squad much better.

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Quote: Biff Tannen "very surprising Cuthbertson isn't included.He brings far more to the table than Ferres who hasn't been great this year.'"


He's Australian !

He's been around for 10 years or more and wanted to play Origin and rep for Australia. In those 10 years he never felt patriotic enough to say he was available for England because he's not English.

Now, in the twighlight of his career when Origin and Australia are never going to happen he suddenly feels English.

Nope, not for me!

Apart from that, in the second half of the season his form hasn't been good enough!

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Quote: Gronk! "Few stand outs that shouldn't be anywhere near the England squad in Cudjoe, Farrell, Smith & Westwood.

Outside of that it's a strong looking squad.

Is Shenton unavailable for selection? Because Cudjoe over him is pretty laughable if not.'"



Cudjoes been in outstanding form both in defence and attack

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Quote: The Avenger "He's Australian !

He's been around for 10 years or more and wanted to play Origin and rep for Australia. In those 10 years he never felt patriotic enough to say he was available for England because he's not English.

Now, in the twighlight of his career when Origin and Australia are never going to happen he suddenly feels English.

Nope, not for me!

Apart from that, in the second half of the season his form hasn't been good enough!'"


I shouldn't have to go into again but i will, his father is England so that entitles him to play for England or Australia.End of.Mcnamara has made no qualms about selecting non english players in the past,some far more non english than Cuthbertson so we can only assume he has deemed him not good enough,hence my surprise.

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Quote: Biff Tannen "I shouldn't have to go into again but i will, his father is England so that entitles him to play for England or Australia.End of.Mcnamara has made no qualms about selecting non english players in the past,some far more non english than Cuthbertson so we can only assume he has deemed him not good enough,hence my surprise.'"


I'm not bothered about his eligibility under the current rules, I'm more interested in maintaining the integrity of the honour which should come from representing your Nation!

Someone who clearly sees England as his second choice shouldn't be considered. My opinion is that he's Australian and therefore I don't want him in the England team, same as Chase, Heighington etc.

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Quote: Nothus "If McNamara plays Matty Smith at 7 ahead of Luke Gale then it really is all about club colours.'"


He won't, he will play Widdop at 7 and Tomkins at 6, you know, because Tomkins has had a truly superb season and fully deserves to be in the squad..........

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Quote: The Avenger "He's Australian !

He's been around for 10 years or more and wanted to play Origin and rep for Australia. In those 10 years he never felt patriotic enough to say he was available for England because he's not English.

Now, in the twighlight of his career when Origin and Australia are never going to happen he suddenly feels English.

Nope, not for me!

Apart from that, in the second half of the season his form hasn't been good enough!'"


Well said. eusa_clap.gif

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Looking at that squad I'm in full agreement that it looks unbalanced.

Only 2 centres suggests either Hardaker or Bateman have been picked as a centres. The big worry is not enough props. IMO there should be a minimum 5 in the squad.

I think we should be building towards the four nations next year and the next World Cup. For that reason I wouldn't have Westwood or O'loughlin in. I don't think Smith's form has warranted selection, neither do the Wigan fans after a quick read of their forum. I think he's been selected because McNamara was happy with him in internationals last year rather than just because he plays for Wigan as some suggest.

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Genuinely surprised that there is no Liam Watts. He would be better to have in the squad that Westwood, considering the lack of props.

Can't believe Smith is still getting selected. He didn't seem to do anything last night, besides a few errors.

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Hardaker
Burgess / Hall
Watkins /Bateman
Williams / Widdop

Graham / Roby / Hill
Whitehead and Farrell
O'Loughlin

Burgess / Cooper / Hodgson / Currie

- Shame that Burgess and Walmsley miss out through injury. He hasn't selected much depth up front.

- I can't see how Tomkins can play over Hardaker and I can't see how he can play over Williams, at #6, who has been outstanding. So I wouldn't pick Tomkins at all.

- How players like Smith, Cudjoe, Westwood and Ferres can get selected I don't know. Why continue with these players? This is the perfect opportunity to give younger players the chance to experience an England camp. From Saints the likes of Greenwood and Percival would benefit greatly.

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Tomkins form hasn't warranted him to including in the squad, but no doubt he'll be squeezed in somewhere. He shouldn't be at 6 due to how long it's been since he last played there, and he shouldn't be at full back due to Zak's form. It just hope his inclusion to mean Zak gets put out to centre because that would just be a waste of his talents! Like others have said I don't think smith really warrants the shirt. Half backs would be Gale and Widdop for me

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Has Danny McGuire retired from international footy? Because going off big finals he's been in recently he's ahead of Williams at the moment (Williams is a good runner of the ball and will improve, is actually really good but no McGuire in the biggest games yet), never mind Matty Smith whose inclusion is a ing joke.

Harry Sunderland winner last night, Lance Todd winner last year, good kicker, good try scorer, good support player, good passer, quite good defender...never picked for England anymore. And a player who has well out of his depth in the last two Grand Finals and every time I've seen him play for England gets in? Smith must have something on MacNamara.haha

Really unsure about Westwood and Farrell's inclusions too. Westwood is getting on and Farrell is a penalty machine but are both good players in their day.

I've not seen Ferres play well for two years though. I do not rate the guy at all for England v Kiwi level.

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Quote: Nothus "If McNamara plays Matty Smith at 7 ahead of Luke Gale then it really is all about club colours.'"

I'd play:
Widdop-McGuire
Widdop-Gale
Widdop-Williams
Widdop-Tomkins
McGuire-Gale
McGuire-Williams
McGuire-Tomkins
Gale-Williams
Gale-Tomkins
Williams-Tomkins
Westwood-Ferres
...in the halves before I'd let Matty Smith anywhere near the #7 jersey for England.

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Quote: Hasbag "Genuinely surprised that there is no Liam Watts. He would be better to have in the squad that Westwood, considering the lack of props.

Can't believe Smith is still getting selected. He didn't seem to do anything last night, besides a few errors.'"

Watts plays for the wrong team. He's been one of the best back rowers in the league this season and if he played for a team higher up the table he'd probably be an automatic starter but Farrell Westwood (who I love as a Wire) and Ferres get it. Bizarre that one!

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Strange selections aside, and with the big player injuries we have, it looks a good strong team.

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