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| Quote: Cas Till I Die "And look at the interest in the game in all the above places now, well worth the effort.'"
Are we talking about Castleford or Wales?
When Cas aren’t playing in a hole in front of 5 men and his dog they can lecture other teams on playing in front of 3 men and his dog.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Are we talking about Castleford or Wales?
When Cas aren’t playing in a hole in front of 5 men and his dog they can lecture other teams on playing in front of 3 men and his dog.'"
Quite correct, there is zero interest in RL in Castleford
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| Quote: Cas Till I Die "Quite correct, there is zero interest in RL in Castleford
There can be as much 'interest' as you want but until that translates to people in the stands and pounds in the pocket its irrelevant.
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| Quote: Urmston Wire "www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/story/2013/02/27/nb-cfl-cohon-moncton-1121.html
Bear with me here...
The Canadian Football League has clearly decided that the best strategy for expansion is to target an area with road games.
Now, would this be an appropriate strategy here too? (If you scrapped Magic Weekend, I'm sure it would) Get 3 or 4 SL teams to take a home game to a large urban area across a summer, and see what the reaction is. Even better, make it a double header with the nearest semi-pro or conference team.
As an example- 2014. Get Wigan, Saints and Leeds (let's be frank, the best-known teams to a non-RL fan) to play a game each in a major urban centre not too far off the heartland- Birmingham, Nottingham, that kind of place. Get teams like Wire, Widnes, Salford playing in Stoke-on-Trent; get FC, KR, or some such playing in Newcastle, Middlesbrough. Don't just do it as a one-off, do it as a concerted effort over several years if needs be. If it doesn't work, drop it- but surely testing the water is a good way to achieve expansion, rather than just plunging in.
What do you all think?'"
To also show that sometimes expansion doesnt work.. The CFL decided on expansion in the early 90's into American cities that didnt have NFL teams.. It was a major flop as the people in america didnt want to watch Canadian Football (Very similar game to NFL with a bigger pitch of 110 yards and only 3 down to make 10 yards instead of 4).
The point is that its all well and good saying we have teams in X and Y cities but if no-one is interested then they simply wont watch it.
The CFL eventually scrapped the American teams and kept the game in Canada (Where Canada read M62 corridoor) where even tho its not as well known around the world the people of Canada love the game and have it it their hearts.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "There can be as much 'interest' as you want but until that translates to people in the stands and pounds in the pocket its irrelevant.'"
1. When you need to compare a small town and a small country, it hardly suggests your argument is the strongest.
2. Every week, i go home and away all over the country following my club and also attend most internationals held in this country. Why does that not entitle me to an opinion ??? Are only Leeds, Wigan, Hull, Warrington etc fans allowed an opinion ??? And people say Leeds fans are arrogant.
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| Quote: Cas Till I Die "1. When you need to compare a small town and a small country, it hardly suggests your argument is the strongest.'" Why? Are pounds in Wales worth less than pounds in Cas? Are the banks accepting money on the basis of population size?
Quote: Cas Till I Die "2. Every week, i go home and away all over the country following my club and also attend most internationals held in this country. Why does that not entitle me to an opinion ??? Are only Leeds, Wigan, Hull, Warrington etc fans allowed an opinion ??? And people say Leeds fans are arrogant.'" You are free to hold any opinion you want, and others are free to tell you how illogical, wrong and self-serving it is. Nobody has said you shouldn’t express your opinion, just that your opinion is illogical, wrong and self-serving. And people say Cas Fans are chippy morons.
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| Quote: Cas Till I Die "FWIW - try it every 15 years from now until the year 3000, taking a game to Plymouth (eg) and thinking the public will magically love our sport forever is ridiculous.'"
It is ridiculous, you're right. That's why NO ONE has suggested doing it.
Great strawman argument there. But can you actually argue the real points? Or are you too "dumb" to do that? (Hey, I'm not caing you dumb, just asking
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| the only way to see if there is a genuine interest in on the road games is to limit the tickets of the 2 clubs competing to just 500 each. that way you could then see how many neutrals from the area the game is being played actually turn up. my guess is that you would then see a crowd of about 1500 at a push.
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| Quote: Brenio "the only way to see if there is a genuine interest in on the road games is to limit the tickets of the 2 clubs competing to just 500 each. that way you could then see how many neutrals from the area the game is being played actually turn up. my guess is that you would then see a crowd of about 1500 at a push.'"
You are right, a game held outside the heartlands between two random heartland teams, where both those teams were limited to 500 tickets each probably wouldn’t be very well attended.
In fact, if you held a game between Cas and Wakefield in Wigan and limited Cas and Wakefield to 500 tickets each it probably wouldn’t be very well attended.
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| People from outside the heartlands aren't going to come to us so we need to go to them. I think that the best bet is to take games to places such as Leicester, Northampton, Worcester etc. We would be more likely to attract people from RU areas as they would be more likely to appreciate the skills that RL players can show.
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| The point that CTID doesn't get, is that this idea isn't plonking a game in the middle of nowhere, it's stategically placing games where there is a base interest in RL already (through strong amateur/semi-pro clubs, number of schools playing etc). Places like Bristol, Nottingham, Gloucester, Oxford, Toulouse, Gillingham, Hemel & North London. Even places a little closer to home like Sheffield.
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| Quote: Errlee Berd "The point that CTID doesn't get, is that this idea isn't plonking a game in the middle of nowhere, it's stategically placing games where there is a base interest in RL already (through strong amateur/semi-pro clubs, number of schools playing etc). Places like Bristol, Nottingham, Gloucester, Oxford, Toulouse, Gillingham, Hemel & North London. Even places a little closer to home like Sheffield.'"
...and not just doing it once, wait 15 years and then expecting something to happen.
I'd try and hit one place three or four times in one year with one fixture each time and allow the interest to build up. A game in April, June and August for example.
But the idea would be to do it in a place where we think there is potential to build a club there, and I don't mean artificially plonking a franchise there like Gateshead. If that's one if the current CC1 clubs then go with it. But a real effort with strategy needs to be made, not hit and hope "see how it goes" one off on the road games of the past.
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| Quote: Cas Till I Die "Lets take Leeds vs Wigan to Birmingham. All the locals will forget life long ties to Villa or BCFC and start watching RL.
If that's not what the OP was getting at please enlighten us all .....'"
You got my point entirely wrong. My point is that it is better to repeatedly and methodically expose somewhere to the sport, rather than a casual occasional gesture.
The sport's problem more than anything is surely our relative lack of national exposure. If you live in places like Brum, you're not likely to take an interest in RL unless someone brings it to you, and makes an event of it.
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "...and not just doing it once, wait 15 years and then expecting something to happen.
I'd try and hit one place three or four times in one year with one fixture each time and allow the interest to build up. A game in April, June and August for example.
But the idea would be to do it in a place where we think there is potential to build a club there, and I don't mean artificially plonking a franchise there like Gateshead. If that's one if the current CC1 clubs then go with it. But a real effort with strategy needs to be made, not hit and hope "see how it goes" one off on the road games of the past.'"
Exactly. Excellent post. I still think some games in a large untapped urban area not too far from the heartland would be worth a go as well, though.
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