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Lets get this in perspective this is an application for a domain name. Not a ruling on the use of the word Rugby.
As the RFL did not apply, then the UK government is bound to put across it's opinion to try and sway the arguement in favour of the IRB, rather than the other application.
You can try and buy any name on the internet, as far as I am aware this type of thing only crops up where different people apply for the same name.
I'm sure there are lots of other derivations that can be used instead.
Rugby.com
rugby.org
rugby.net
rugby.co.uk
rugby.TV
etc
Unless I've miss read the purpose of the body involved.
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| Quote: gutterfax "Your Question?
The ARLC turnover, as I have pointed out already is close to 150 million GBP a year...I have no idea how much the RFU or ARU get for their TV deals respectively, but given you asked the question, I take it that combined, they fall well short of the ARLC turnover.
While we're on truth or dare, how much did the RLIF receive from the RFL/British Government for the right to host RLWC 2013 when compared to the revenue received by the IRB for 2015?
Go on, you know it's not a toughie ![]()
Blimey, you really don't like answering questions.
To address your question; not a clue in the slightest. Then again, I didn't bring up a rather strange thesis.
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If the RFU are the sole owners of the name Rugby, we could end up with a name change before long, they seem to be dropping the name Union, every time you hear the commentators, the just call there game rugby, so if they have all the naming wrights why let another sport use the name
it happened some years back with wrestling in the US they were taken to Cort to make them change there name, they called them selves the WWF
& had to change it to the WWE, supposedly cost them a small fortune in re branding, the company that took them to Cort was the World wildlife federation, lets hope the RFU are not getting ready to stick the knife in
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| Quote: vastman "He can you clearly have trouble with the obvious.
You can't leave the original governing body and take the name with you. RU own the name Rugby end of, they have owned it from the start because they are the unbroken governing body going right back to the creation of the sport.
By your logic should Scotland vote to leave the Union UK but Wales, N Ireland and England choose to stay it can still call itself Great Britain.
Rugby in RL defines the style of football played when the Northern Union broke away. Had the founding fathers known the break would be as permanent irreversible they would probably have dropped the Rugby moniker asap. For historical reasons we are stuck with it now.'"
Ridiculous comparison.
The rugby schism is directly comparable to the christian church schisms. It'd be like the UK government saying that the Protestant or Orthodox churches cannot call themselves christian churches as the Catholic church owns the name 'Christian'.
Pommy RL fans are so damn beta not a single one of you will even bother pointing this out to your local member though... |
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| Quote: bewareshadows "Lets get this in perspective this is an application for a domain name. Not a ruling on the use of the word Rugby.
As the RFL did not apply, then the UK government is bound to put across it's opinion to try and sway the arguement in favour of the IRB, rather than the other application.
You can try and buy any name on the internet, as far as I am aware this type of thing only crops up where different people apply for the same name.
I'm sure there are lots of other derivations that can be used instead.
Rugby.com
rugby.org
rugby.net
rugby.co.uk
rugby.TV
etc
Unless I've miss read the purpose of the body involved.'"
It's a TLD so it'll be england.rugby not rugby.co.uk or whatever.
Porn sites are getting .xxx, in Australia the AFL applied for .afl (might find some issues with US leagues though) and I'm assuming the ARL will apply for .nrl if they haven't already.
Basically it means that if anyone is on the net and types in australia.rugby or queensland.rugby they'll be sent to the ARU and QRU sites, not the ARL and QRL sites... |
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| Quote: gutterfax "1. Firstly, dust off both shoulders. Whilst having a chip on them makes most people think you're balanced, the inferiority complex helps nobody.
2. Accept that for now, Union will 'pack'em'in" internationally and it will take a generation or more for International League to get even close/
3. Stop the comparisons........they are 2 different games, with 2 different sets of demographics when it comes to supporters.
4. MARKET the game. The NRL have started to lean on sides to take the game to new audiences.....Perth, unlucky to be overlooked, will get 3 senior games this year and an ANZAC test soon. The RFL need to PAY teams like London and Salford to explore new areas......for too long it's been whippets and ale or Pigeons and pits...RL is an exciting game...Market it properly.
5. Stop playing 2nd fiddle to Media: The BBC are on their booty......they pay over the odds for the 6 nations, but a pittance for RL.....yet they only market the Union......make representations NOW.....kick them while they are down.
6. RLWC 2013 is a major event in the development of the game in the UK........the RFL need to be prepared to spend some of their SKY TV warchest to ensure new fans come on board.....because like Euro 96 and the other lot in 2015, a lot of the fans you attend will be newbies.....and newbies sometimes become FANS......
7. Politics my booty.......there are very rarely political figures prepared to stand in the way of anything. If you refer to the Governements backing of Unions WC and not Leagues.......count the numbers involved....Union fans, 40,000 of them will follow the Lions to Oz next year, the RLWC will attract 10,000 of that to the UK. 2015 Will see 100' of thousands of French, Irish, Italian, American, Canadian, Kiwi, Australian Union fans hit the UK.....and 'business benefits/growth' attracts voters. As I said, lose the chips and get on with it.
For too long RL has been happy to muddle along....enough is enough. The NRL tv deal is bigger than any single current Union deal........if the game is to truly grow on the back of it, then some of that cash needs to be managed back into global grass roots, maybe a SoO at Old Trafford, more internationals, a proper WCC....
....the IRB, for all their faults (there are many) are a governing body that run their game......this is the #1 thing RL needs...a true, powerful governing body that the ARLC/RFL need to adhere to...otherwise, it'll be business as usual and bit by bit, TGG will shrink in the UK.
IMO that is ![]()
And you're telling others they have chips on their shoulders? 
Back on topic, the OP is correct in saying the UK government are incorrect, the IRB isnt "the sole world governing body for the sport of rugby" for the simple reason that there are two codes of rugby and more than one governing body.
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| Quote: bewareshadows "Lets get this in perspective this is an application for a domain name. Not a ruling on the use of the word Rugby.
As the RFL did not apply, then the UK government is bound to put across it's opinion to try and sway the arguement in favour of the IRB, rather than the other application.
You can try and buy any name on the internet, as far as I am aware this type of thing only crops up where different people apply for the same name.
I'm sure there are lots of other derivations that can be used instead.
Rugby.com
rugby.org
rugby.net
rugby.co.uk
rugby.TV
etc
Unless I've miss read the purpose of the body involved.'"
Actually to get a domain name you have to apply to the company that registers that TLD, now in the case of the companies that run .com/.co.uk/.org and the other current domains they pretty much let anyone have the domain if it isn't currently in use - but in theory they could say "No sorry we don't want to sell you a domain" and there would be nothing you could do.
It is for this reason that companies like Coca-cola applied for .coca-cola - essentially to stop anyone else from being able to use the domain.
So, the IRB could in fact turn around and if (for example) Leeds Rhinos apply for Leeds.Rugby say "No sorry, we don't want any Rugby League teams using .rugby" It would be their TLD to do with what they wish. Worse, someone could setup a domain called Leeds.Rugby and do nothing but talk down and post false comments about Leeds Rhinos and it would be the IRB who have final say if they site should be taken down or not.
I understand the RFL didn't apply, but if anything I would argue that either of the 2 companies who also applied for .rugby are more likely to be unbiased in the use of the .rugby domain that the IRB is.
All that, plus it annoyed me that the Government again presumes we don't exist. |
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| Quote: Lockyer4President! "Ridiculous comparison.
The rugby schism is directly comparable to the christian church schisms. It'd be like the UK government saying that the Protestant or Orthodox churches cannot call themselves christian churches as the Catholic church owns the name 'Christian'.
Pommy RL fans are so damn beta not a single one of you will even bother pointing this out to your local member though...'"
Really, some Aussie fans are so utterly ignorant about English sport it's frightening. Rugby is RU, we lost that battle years ago - in case you haven't noticed we have far bigger issues to worry about. |
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| Quote: vastman "Really, some Aussie fans are so utterly ignorant about English sport it's frightening. Rugby is RU, we lost that battle years ago - in case you haven't noticed we have far bigger issues to worry about.'"
Not so fast Vastman. Many of our clubs are direct unbroken organisations dating to before the great split in 1895. They have every right to call themselves Rugby clubs.
The correct title of our league was originally The Northern RUGBY Football Union and since 1922 The RUGBY Football League. What did you think the R in RFL stood for Rebel. I guess we have the right to call ourselves Union given that historical precedent. We certainly have the right to call ourselves Rugby.
Only last week I was at a Rugby Union event in which Andrew Johns and Brad Fittler were playing and the tannoy commentator repeatedly referred to the two as RUGBY league internationals.
The union lot using Rugby for their game only becomes accepted if we don't challenge it and they kind of get squatters rights to its use. We should continue to use the word Rugby for our game. They have no more right to usurp its usage than we do.
As for the internet domain. The RFL should object to it's use being given exclusively to Union. A court case challenging our right to use the word fron UNION would be wonderful publicity for RUGBY league. |
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| Quote: keighley1 "A court case challenging our right to use the word fron UNION would be wonderful publicity for RUGBY league.'"
Yeah......brilliant Idea  |
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Why don't 'we' just go for .RL or . RFL domain names?
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| Quote: getdownmonkeyman "Blimey, you really don't like answering questions.'"
I said I didn't see the point in answering loaded questions....there'sa difference.
Quote: getdownmonkeyman "To address your question; not a clue in the slightest.'"
so, you have no idea how much the RLIF received from the RFL for the hosting rights of 2013/ I think it's a case of YOU not wanting/liking toanswer questions  |
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