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The defending team can only move forward at the heel. The attacking team must remain in control of the football throughout the tackle and play the ball action.
The exception being that an attacking player may step into touch to regain his feet at the play the ball, as long as the play the ball is actually taken in the field of play.
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| On Saturday in the Wigan game I seem to recall a Wigan player being on the floor after tackling a player who had offloaded. Saints had been tackled and played the ball whilst he was on the ground, then after a loose pass from Saints said player dove on the ball, he hadn't retreated the 10 metres for the previous play the ball. Is this offside?
It was waved play on and if someone knows that there was no play the ball in between and I've misremembered then I humbly apologise for not only wasting everyone's time but also lowering this forum to unthinkable depths.
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| Quote: jarol "how then, can a player knock on when he is about to play the ball if he has not played at it with his foot to put the ball back in play?'"
I'd be interested to see what the reaction of the ref & opposition players would be in the modern game if the tackled player got up and played the ball by dropping it and heeling it back. I wonder how many refs would wrongly call a knock on? I've only ever seen it played like this once and that was back in the mid 70s by Ken Senior playing for Huddersfield at Fartown, one of my earliest memories as an RL spectator.
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| Quote: TheUnassumingBadger "On Saturday in the Wigan game I seem to recall a Wigan player being on the floor after tackling a player who had offloaded. Saints had been tackled and played the ball whilst he was on the ground, then after a loose pass from Saints said player dove on the ball, he hadn't retreated the 10 metres for the previous play the ball. Is this offside?
It was waved play on and if someone knows that there was no play the ball in between and I've misremembered then I humbly apologise for not only wasting everyone's time but also lowering this forum to unthinkable depths.'"
I'd forgotten about that! He was 20 yards offside and should have been a penalty to Saints. It was McIlorum if I remember rightly. I think the referee had got confused and didn't realise he was still offside from the previous play.
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| Quote: BackrowSaint "Yeah you can kick it and play on.'"
I'm surprised I don't think i've ever seen anyone just toe punt in from the back of the POTB when right on their opponents line.
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| Quote: Sibbs Rhinos "I'm surprised I don't think i've ever seen anyone just toe punt in from the back of the POTB when right on their opponents line.'"
True you'd think it would be used. A couple of times I've seen hooker's be not quite at the play of the ball when it has been played so they've lunged at it with their foot to keep it away from opposition markers.
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| Quote: BackrowSaint "True you'd think it would be used. A couple of times I've seen hooker's be not quite at the play of the ball when it has been played so they've lunged at it with their foot to keep it away from opposition markers.'"
It wouldn't shock me if they are almost afraid to try it as it would probably be given as an incorrect play of the ball or knock on tbh.
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| Quote: Sibbs Rhinos "It wouldn't shock me if they are almost afraid to try it as it would probably be given as an incorrect play of the ball or knock on tbh.'"
Also there's a considerable chance of it hitting the player who's played the ball causing an accidental offside.
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| Here's another one:
Team A have the ball inside their own 20 and opt to kick downfield. All of Team A's players are in an offside position when the ball is kicked. The kicker makes a hash of it and the kick goes across field and only 10 metres forwards. Team B's winger runs forward and catches the kick on the full, Team A's winger is 5 metres away from the ball when it is caught and proceeds to run across and make the tackle on Team B's winger.
The tackle was made 15 metres away from Team A's try line and there are no other players from Team A in a position to make the tackle.
Is this a penalty try?
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| Quote: TheUnassumingBadger "Here's another one
No. A Penalty to B where the winger of Team A should have been - i.e. in this instance, in line with where the kick was taken.
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| IIRC in a Warrington v St Helens game a few years back at Knowsley Road, Warrington were denied a try scoring opportunity when the attacking player was tackled just before the line by Leon Pryce who was in an offside position. Ref awarded a penalty, no penalty try or even sinbinning.
Not that I'm still bitter about it ........
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| Quote: WorldWideSaint "
The exception being that an attacking player may step into touch to regain his feet at the play the ball, as long as the play the ball is actually taken in the field of play.'"
I've known about this rule for years but never seen it happen. I don't see the point of it to be fair. All it would do is confuse and anger players and spectators for no real reason.
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| The point of it is that the ball isn't actually in play until the attacker 'plays the ball' hence stepping into touch after the tackle has been completed isn't an issue, so long as when the ball is played the player is within the field of play.
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| Quote: shinymcshine "The point of it is that the ball isn't actually in play until the attacker 'plays the ball' hence stepping into touch after the tackle has been completed isn't an issue, so long as when the ball is played the player is within the field of play.'"
But as has been said, if a player drops the ball after being tackled it's a knock on. If he drops the ball before a tap restart, it isn't a knock on. A tackle isn't a stoppage in play, so a play the ball after a tackle isn't a restart in play it's a continuation.
If a player goes into touch after a tackle and before the play the ball, it should be a turnover IMO (unless the referee has stopped play), just like if a player drops the ball after the tackle and before the play the ball.
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "But as has been said, if a player drops the ball after being tackled it's a knock on. If he drops the ball before a tap restart, it isn't a knock on. A tackle isn't a stoppage in play, so a play the ball after a tackle isn't a restart in play it's a continuation.
If a player goes into touch after a tackle and before the play the ball, it should be a turnover IMO (unless the referee has stopped play), just like if a player drops the ball after the tackle and before the play the ball.'"
It is given as a knock-on as the player has dropped the ball and failed to bring the ball back into play in the prescribed manner. If this was a deliberate act then it would be a penalty for that offence but as it is accidental then the same as for a forward pass the scrum is given.
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