Surely Wakefields plan B takes them to the same level as the Castleford ground is now, we can hold 12000 and have at least half the stadium under cover.

IMO only your plan C will take you above Castleford, and then it's not ideal having to ground share away from Wakefield, look how it's effected Saints having to play at Widnes.

Edited for accuracy.

Agree with most of that except a redeveloped Belle Vue will exceed Wheldon Rd in a number of areas.

Hospitality
Number of seats
More supporters undercover

The RFL will grade a redeveloped Belle Vue as a 'B' and it will only fall short of 'A' grade because 2,000 of the 12,000 capacity will not be covered.

If memory serves me correctly WR is Graded as a 'C'

How sure are you that Wakey's plan'B' will not require any planning permission?

By all accounts we won't need planning permission for the majority of the build, some parts of the build have already got permission and for the section that will need it we've already had WMDCs planning officer in and he has advised on the best design in terms of passing the planning process.

Again all of this process and the people involved in it have been in touch with Savilles and the details form part of the franchise application submitted last month.

Serious question Alf, in light of all the changes to the LDF, the Governments stance on job creation in the private sector, the recent agreement between the Highways Dept and Yorkcourt and the now non reliance of LEEDS Council on Green Party MPs ,do you genuinely expect Newmarket to be turned down at the PI?

Wakefield get no cash unless the pi goes in there favor so at the moment wakefield have no cash, is this true or have i misread the situation.

I would say that having planning permission for a stadium is much better to not having planning permission and possibly not getting it all myself.

Cas get there cash when wr gets outline planning for the supermarket which as i understand it will take 6 months to a year (i know you would prefer IA'S timescales where he puts the best possible timeframes for wakefield and the worst possible for cas as its suits your agenda more but that doesnt mean they are right).

So wakefields plan b is to play at a ground they dont own and redevelop that, will the bank of ireland be ok with you occupying there land indefinatley? Wouldnt you need planning yourself if your going to seriously redevelop bv and do so on a more than temporary basis?

Moving to barnsley would kill you off as sure as moving to castleford and trinity and the rfl know it.

I dont know what castlefords plan b is, the rfl do and they are ok with it as demonstrated at the last franchise decision.

Once again you tell us how everything is going to go with the castleford stadium, did the sources that gave you this info also tell you that nm would go to pi or that thornes would fall apart (or about any of the other failed wakefield stadium plans) or do they only talk to you about the plans of castleford?

Ok, would you prefer me to bull$heet?

"Cas will definitely be playing out of a new stadium by 2013"

Or

"Cas can definitely afford their new ground"

Or

"Richard Wright never lies"

Neither of the grounds will be ready by 2013 at the earliest (if ever), either way Cas and Wakey are both in the same boat, no new stadium for the next round of franchises. Poor.

Wakefield will be denied a franchise IMO, but not because of the success of Castleford, but their own failings. Neither club has made any advancements since the last round of applications to speak of. Obviously Castleford and Wakefield aren't the only clubs who should have the finger pointed at them, but it seems the spotlight is aimed at the two calder clubs.

ATEOTD, all this bitching about stadiums between Wakey and Cas is pointless until the next round of franchise applications.

Flamimg heck. Thought this was about cas' petition and nothing to do with wakefield.

Cas have planning but no funding in place. Wakey have funding in place and are waiting for the ODP to decide on planning. Who is in the stronger position?

From the outisde looking in, I'd say Wakey.

Wakefield DON'T have funding unless they get planning permission.

Now back on topic folks, this has nothing at all to do with Wakefield this is about getting a Supermarket built on Wheldon Road.

don't be silly, the twitching sphincters at the pussy cats are out in force.

Neither do Cas unless they get planning permission for a supermarket, that is by no way a gimme! The reason the land wasn't sold to Ben baileys for houses was because the land value was nowhere near the cost of constructing a new stadium.

Taking all things into account, in all probability Cas are less likley at this stage to be able to deliver a new ground!

Both sets of cats are willing to scratch each others eyes out because they are on unstable ground fighting over the last scraps - all the indicators are that one of these teams will be unfairly booted out and left to fend for themselves in the Championship. They both think it will come down to stadia, neither of which will be built in time to be taken into consideration anyway!

Roll on the 26th July when we'll finally know the franchise decision. Sick to death of the whole spitefulness that franchising has created, how many threads are there these days that actually talk about what happens on the field, does anyone remember when this use to be a sport and what happened between the teams on the pitch actually mattered !?

As it stands at the moment as far as I'm aware Cas will for the foreseeable future play out of Wheldon Road and Wakey out of Belle Vue and neither club will have a nice shiny stadium any day soon no matter how much posturing, slagging off and being all knowing about each others plans goes on.

I'm actually a supporter of franchising but as long as it is a level playing field, however we know that is not the case no matter how much bullcrap the RFL feed us with their criteria based decisioning. If it were then IMO both Cas & Wakey would score very well other than the stadia against a lot of clubs. But alas we all know that the only thing that matters is nice plastic seats.

Personally if it is Cas or Wakey that lose their franchise I believe that the sport will have been weakened quite considerably and it is my opinion that less and less kids in the area will play the game and turn their talents to other sports, not good considering the amount of talent produced in the district. Also hasn't the RFL just lost £1m in funding due to the number of participants playing the game halving ? Can we afford to run this risk.

Anyway the OP put a request out to the RL family to back Cas' plans for a supermarket on Wheldon Road.

If you want to support that then please sign it...if not then don't and thanks for reading but can we please stop this thread turning into yet another bitch fest !

Well it wouldn't matter about funding if Wakefield don't get planning permission, I don't understand the point here?

Basically if Wakefield get the go ahead to build, the money is readily available? anyway this thread is becoming frivolous. Petition signed.