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| Quote: King Street Cat "The council are now preparing their documents to make it look like the whole issue is solely about Wakefield Trinity getting a new stadium. This isn't and never was the case. They are doing their best to turn the people of Wakefield against the club while at the same time denying them of what was initially proposed.'"
I agree with that bit. You must admit though that the way in which the trust is formed doesn't help WT's cause. The trust's members are the 2 owners of the club (MC and CB) plus hard working supporters of WT - where is the public representation in that ? No one has been elected to the trust who doesn't have a WT bias and whose sole aim would be to fight for the public sports facilities only. There is no independent representation from Joe public on the trust.
The average member of public (and I'd go as far as to say a majority of RL fans outside the Wakefield area) see the trust as a vehicle to get WT a new stadium at all costs and the other sports facilities hardly get a mention. I've followed the story for years (as most probably know) and I have never seen a requirements list of what exactly the trust deem as appropriate public sports facilities.
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| Quote: Tigerade "I agree with that bit. You must admit though that the way in which the trust is formed doesn't help WT's cause. The trust's members are the 2 owners of the club (MC and CB) plus hard working supporters of WT - where is the public representation in that ? No one has been elected to the trust who doesn't have a WT bias and whose sole aim would be to fight for the public sports facilities only. There is no independent representation from Joe public on the trust.
The average member of public (and I'd go as far as to say a majority of RL fans outside the Wakefield area) see the trust as a vehicle to get WT a new stadium at all costs and the other sports facilities hardly get a mention. I've followed the story for years (as most probably know) and I have never seen a requirements list of what exactly the trust deem as appropriate public sports facilities.'"
There is actually a Leeds Rhinos fan on the trust if I'm not mistaken.
Quote: Tigerade "Jonathan Stone - Chair of the Trust and Founder of Residents for NM. Rhinos fan!'"
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| Tigertroll if you insist on trying to stir the pot you really need to get your facts right, in the space of two posts you've made yourself look so silly once again.
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| Quote: Tigerade "I agree with that bit. You must admit though that the way in which the trust is formed doesn't help WT's cause. The trust's members are the 2 owners of the club (MC and CB) plus hard working supporters of WT - where is the public representation in that ? No one has been elected to the trust who doesn't have a WT bias and whose sole aim would be to fight for the public sports facilities only. There is no independent representation from Joe public on the trust.
The average member of public (and I'd go as far as to say a majority of RL fans outside the Wakefield area) see the trust as a vehicle to get WT a new stadium at all costs and the other sports facilities hardly get a mention. I've followed the story for years (as most probably know) and I have never seen a requirements list of what exactly the trust deem as appropriate public sports facilities.'"
If you're on about the other sporting facilities at Newmaket, you'd need to look through the pages and pages of files on the planning portal for the development, but from what I read the other day, the plans show two full size MUGA's with a seperate changing rooms block and a small stand overlooking the area. I take it the Trust were happy with that at the time, if that's what you mean
The Trust originally had Sir Rodney Walker as head.. It also currently has former Wakefield MP David Hichcliffe and also former WT director Eric Timmins. Has has been pointed out by one of the Trust members on our forum, they've invited representatives from WMDC to join as well as approaching the RFL to appoint someone as well. All these people WMDC and Yorkcourt have agreed to work with and like others have said, Jonathan Stone is 'joe public' with no interest or bias towards Trinity. Ask yourself would anyone with no interest in RL, or just any any other person, be bothered to sacrfice & put the huge amounts of time and effort into it when most people have got work and their on crap to worry about. The average joe public in Wakefield just expects the Council and developer to crack on with what was promised and stop messing around ad that would go with any development. For example when Trinity Walk started getting built & then came to a grinding halt with a big hole in the City for a couple of years, people just expected the Council to get the hole eventually sorted.
Also why would bias be brought up anyway. Yorkcourt wanted the land, they needed the Communities support, they said what they were going to do and build, so WMDC would take a load of land out of being classified as greenbelt and use a s106 agreement. It's them and WMDC that made it all about a Community Stadium and the 2000 jobs the warehousing was going to provide. So as rate payers in the City why isn't it ours and other people's concern, even if they may or may not support Trinity. I'm sure if it was near enough to you and about your Club and local Community, you wouldn't be protesting so much. It's funny because i know a number of Cas fans and they want the same as me, both teams in new stadiums, playing at the top end of the table, creating an even bigger rivalry and fill said new stadia. It would be what's best for RL in general imo.
As WMDC said at the time and I quote-
Quote: Tigerade "Projects such as Newmarket will help us to achieve stronger more sustainable and cohesive communities as well as improving health, tackling obesity and transforming people’s lives. It will create a hub of sporting excellence which we will welcome into the district.'"
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| Thanks for that SC. My concern is the closure of Castleford Baths and Knottingley Sports Centre. They obviously still need replacing but it seems that the facilities your mention are more like football and rugby than swimming, tennis and squash. Pontefract has also lost its municipal golf course due to government cuts. My protest is based on location.
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| Quote: Tigerade "Thanks for that SC. My concern is the closure of Castleford Baths and Knottingley Sports Centre. They obviously still need replacing but it seems that the facilities your mention are more like football and rugby than swimming, tennis and squash. Pontefract has also lost its municipal golf course due to government cuts. My protest is based on location.'"
Yes, of course it is
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| Quote: Wildthing "Yes, of course it is
Location is the main problem. Can you imagine the outcry in Cas, Ponte, Fev and Knottingley if new sports facilities were built in Wakefield ? We have just seen WMDC shut everything in our area. I used to be able to book a squash court at Knottingley by just phoning them up. They now tell me my best bet is to join a squash club. As for swimming I've now got to travel to Rothwell.
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| Quote: Tigerade "Location is the main problem. Can you imagine the outcry in Cas, Ponte, Fev and Knottingley if new sports facilities were built in Wakefield ? We have just seen WMDC shut everything in our area. I used to be able to book a squash court at Knottingley by just phoning them up. They now tell me my best bet is to join a squash club. As for swimming I've now got to travel to Rothwell.'"
I don't get the outcry thing. It's not as if Newmaket was getting built by the Council anyway and tbh I haven't a clue what sports facilities they are in Ponte or Knottingley, but I certainly wouldn't care less if any got a swimming pool, sports etc built.
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| This whole saga with Wakefield's ground has been going on for about 20 years now.
The whole thing should have been sorted years ago
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| Quote: Huddersfield1895 "This whole saga with Wakefield's ground has been going on for about 20 years now.
The whole thing should have been sorted years ago'"
I don't think you'll get many disagreeing with that.
20 years? more like 40.
It can't be a coincidence that the worst 2 grounds in SL are under the WMDC authority.
Leeds and Bradford have also lagged behind the rest.
Fev had the right idea and gave up waiting for assistance and tidied up their own stadium, but doing that for a new SL standard stadium needs at least political support from the LA and/or a friendly neighbourhood soccer team.
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| Quote: Shifty Cat "I don't get the outcry thing. It's not as if Newmaket was getting built by the Council anyway'"
The council are contributing 2 million to the project.
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| Quote: Tigerade "The council are contributing 2 million to the project.'"
Because of the community facilities and it being a real community stadium (not privately owned).
They were getting a bargain. No responsibility for upkeep either.
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| Quote: coco the fullback "Because of the community facilities and it being a real community stadium (not privately owned).
They were getting a bargain. No responsibility for upkeep either.'"
Correct - I'm just dispelling the myth that the council are not required to pay for any of it.
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| Quote: Tigerade "The council are contributing 2 million to the project.'"
your objections seem to be more about it being in Wakefield rather than any "genuine" concerns.
Wakefield itself has lost plenty and its facilities generally, for a City the size of Wakefield have been mickey poor for years.
Your comments seem to want to deflect attention from WMDC and their lack of action as regards the COMMUNITY stadium, a phrase stolen and used in connection with the Glasshoughton project, when that facility will belong to CTRLFC and whilst some sections of the local community may use some of the facilities, it was NEVER a community stadium.
As someone so keen that "we" have decent facilities, you too should be outraged at their handling of this situation.
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| The answer to that conundrum would be to have both Glasshoughton and Newmarket as community stadiums. I know it will never happen but for a district the size of ours both would get good usage.
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