Oh to be judge jury and excecutioner - based on purely perceptions and little genuine understanding of reality.

Of course all the clubs were sitting there thinking 'oh, isn't it time we found that missing £20m in the basement to build a new stadium?' You have been fortunate not to have to contribute to your own stadia and you were lucky to have a local authority who were pro-active in supporting your club - and good luck to you. We had the most backward thinking policy in Wakefield - one which constantly resorted to 'we can't do for one what we can't do for all' - resulting in nothing. Despite this, the game remains the number one sport in the district and what we are attempting to achieve is to retain and enhance that position within the sport. I fail to see how your 'cull' is of any benefit to the sport - providing the consultants are satisfied 100% of the delivery of the promised stadium.

Hardly an outside benefactor,when you consider his companies are major shareholders of the club.

I know he has links but Wakey made this sound like a great thing whereas IMO it just looked bad on the club. If the club would of paid it off then fine, well done but this looks like they 'needed' someone else to do it. It's similar to Halifax supporters trust being the one's trying to get 26k to fund a reserve side. Shouldn't the club be doing that? Use supporters trust to pay the wages of 1 / 2 players instead and the club looks ten times better because THEY set up reserves / academy sides rather than a linked group.

I won't deny how fortunate we have been FWIW Halton council are fantastic in their support of local projects and have just passed for a cinema etc now and once new bridge is built more retail units come with it. But you have to ask why haven't Wakey council stepped in... is it mainly just due to conflict between Wakey & Cas? (which is understanable) but do you not think this could of been sorted years a go when Labour were happily letting councils invest plenty and also when you guys got into SL and i presume crowds and interest rose so should of been banging to the council to say we need this stadium help to keep momentum going?

As you have said it's not all about stadiums so if all 3 get one then they'll move onto other issues as someone WILL BE GOING so I just hope clubs have covered themselves in other areas too. I'd love to see the RFL with a massive problem on their hands but only since making this 1 Champ club in 1 SL club out promise (based on conditions) have things really kicked into action, so can't really blame them.

That is wrong - actually it helps us in our case with our LA as it has focused their minds on the job in the way that we have been working for over the last 6 years. The current project has been around for 2 years - so it's not like we were all sitting around until the RFL made this (stupid IMO) statement.

Put it this way - I haven't come across another example which has required the formation of a pressure group to get their council to get their act together - which is what we were faced with in Wakey!

Starbug, if you want to come to the first competitive game at Salford's new stadium I'll pay for your ticket. You'll have to get there under your own steam however.

its sad that YOU needed to bring a small town in wigan into this argument to justify your being in SLE.

rarely have my arguments centred on LRLFC ,i know were we stand in the bigger scheme of things.perhaps some other clubs should realise this,sooner rather than later.

I am not trying to justify anything, just responding to you post regarding it being too late for OUR new stadium to be considered because that was the excuse the RFL used to prohibit YOUR inclusion last time.
The reason the RFL did not consider your new stadium last time was because they did not want you in superleague, nothing more, nothing less. THEIR perception of Leigh is the small town in Wigan bit, not mine.
I know you don't want to hear that, but that does not make it less true.

I'd love to see a strong SL club in Cumbria and we should have poured recourses into that county in order to achieve this.

On the population question The Wakefield District has a population of around 350,000 but if you remove Castleford, Featherstone, Normanton, Altofts, Knottingley, Ackworth, Airdale, Fryston, Ryhill, Hemsworth you are left with a population of around 135,000 which is much larger (almost double) that of Barrow at 72,000

as its your post im reading,i'll assume it your perception of leigh,but if youve got a link were the rfl have said leigh will never be allowed in SLE because your just a small town in wigan,then by all means bring it forward.

good job manchester doesn't have a team because if they did you lot wouldn't even exist.

Is SWINTON a town/village or just an area of MANCHESTER?

I really don't know.

a town in its own right, but under salford mbc.
i 'm guessing that happened when the bounderies changed in 1974 the same with leigh.

Thank you.

the population of the barrow 'council district' is around 72,000. the population of widnes alone is over 60'000, without including outlying villages, of which there are a few. and if we are talking 'boroughs' then the population of Halton is well over 120'000. and this does not include places like frodsham, Helsby, Hale or Cronton which it would be reasonable to include.