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| Quote: PHIPPS "So you think if it was announced that the England football team would be playing a one off game (maybe to become a regular fixture) against a brand new side containing the best foreigners that are currently playing in the Premier league no one would be interested?
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Do Australia continue to play against England?'"
Not in mid season friendlies, no. That is what we're talking about, is it not?
Quote: SmokeyTA "When we were demolished by Australia in 2002 we had an Australian tour in 2003 and the start of the tri-nations (in earnest the 99 tri-nations wasnt really the same format, or regularity) in 2004. What are replacing the game against France with, that includes France? We swapped the friendlies for competitive games, our results were closer, when we have done the same with France the results have been closer. If we follow your logic, why are we casting France out and not bringing them in?'"
We have given France the chance of competitive games against us in the 4N - they didn't qualify as they couldn't even beat Wales.
Quote: SmokeyTA "So which time scale was the same timescale if not the same as the timescale which was mentioned?'"
The "same timescale" was the same length of time over which the 20 games against Australia had been played, obviously. |
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| Quote: FearTheVee "Not in mid season friendlies, no. That is what we're talking about, is it not?'" No, games against France in general. As i said previously, we should have a mid season tri-nations against Wales and France, it would be one extra game, it would be competitive games, and we would be more likely to see players like Carvell stick with Wales improving their squad (changing back to GB for games against Australia and NZ)
Quote: FearTheVee "We have given France the chance of competitive games against us in the 4N - they didn't qualify as they couldn't even beat Wales.'" what do we to do qualify for the 4N. And France only get the opportunity to qualify for every other tri-nations
Quote: FearTheVee "The same timescale was the length of time covering the 20 games against Australia you mentioned, obviously.'" so 20 games then? It would only be fair to use the same scale. |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "No, games against France in general. As i said previously, we should have a mid season tri-nations against Wales and France, it would be one extra game, it would be competitive games, and we would be more likely to see players like Carvell stick with Wales improving their squad (changing back to GB for games against Australia and NZ) '"
Thing is though, we aren't replacing an imaginary mid season tri-nations with a game against the all stars, we're replacing a mid-season friendly against France.
Quote: SmokeyTA "what do we to do qualify for the 4N.'"
Be demonstrably and comfortably better than the next best team.
Quote: SmokeyTA "And France only get the opportunity to qualify for every other tri-nations'"
If they could qualify for the thing in the first place and ever beat anybody in it (let alone make a couple of finals like England), then I'm sure they'd be asked back every year.
Quote: SmokeyTA "so 20 games then? It would only be fair to use the same scale.'"
No, hence why I said "same timescale" not "same number of games". Thought it was quite clear myself. Quite what results from before RL in England was even fully pro have to do with whether we play France in a mid season friendly in 2011, I have no idea. |
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| Quote: FearTheVee "Be demonstrably and comfortably better than the next best team..'"
Over what timescale? 
Seriously, you're not expecting to get anything other than a fog plaiting session out of this are you? |
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "Over what timescale? ![]()
Point taken, over and out! 
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| Quote: FearTheVee "Thing is though, we aren't replacing an imaginary mid season tri-nations with a game against the all stars, we're replacing a mid-season friendly against France.'" Which is why any all stars gimmick (if at all) should be in addition to, and not replacing international RL. We could do both. Or we could just drop the pointless all-star game.
Quote: FearTheVee "Be demonstrably and comfortably better than the next best team.
'" When did we do this?
Quote: FearTheVee "If they could qualify for the thing in the first place and ever beat anybody in it (let alone make a couple of finals like England), then I'm sure they'd be asked back every year.'" and how are the supposed to do this when we dont play them any more?
Quote: FearTheVee "No, hence why I said "same timescale" not "same number of games". Thought it was quite clear myself. Quite what results from before RL in England was even fully pro have to do with whether we play France in a mid season friendly in 2011, I have no idea.'" Ahh, so you want to compare 20 tests against Australia to 6 against France. And for no discernible reason we set that timescale, randomly at 11 years. That seems, well.... random. |
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| Quote: FearTheVee "
They are two very different questions you know.
The reason i was asking was because it was clearly obvious that we never have done, it is simply assumed.
Frankly nobody could say with any certainty who the next best would even be, it is entirely dependant on what team each country could be bothered putting out. Christ the look at what the Cook Islands achieved!
France, Samoa, Fiji, Tonga, PNG could all have a decent stab at it. With the support of the NRL and SL put out decent, competitive teams who could all beat each other, and with with a bit of look scrape a result against England.
But we simply dont know who is better, and what they could do, because we dont play anywhere near enough international RL and very few nations and very rarely do they get the chance to play the big teams.
We need more international RL, even if there is few drubbings in there, not less, this game would be a nice addition to the calendar, but it is superfluous and certainly not a replacement for international RL
It is sad that the arrogance and disregard the ARL have shown over the years to international RL has spread to these shores.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "And you say you arent arrogant or disrespectful to France 
Agree with replacing MM. Whilst it is a fun day, it would be more beneficial and probably just as entertaining to watch Internationals/7's than SL games.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "I think you will find you have changed the question. It would "if we had played" if you meant purely past tense " if we played" would still be the future tense. Do i think if we had played France 20 times over the past 11 years they would have beaten us at least once? yeah probably so. We have been pretty appalling at times and France have put on some pretty good results against, Australia, NZ and ourselves'"
You think a team of part-timers from a nation not even regarded as fourth best in the world would beat a team of full-timers who have been regarded as second to third best in the world? I'd like to see he odds on something like that!
Who was the last team to beat Aus/NZ outside of the big three and when was that?
Quote: SmokeyTA "Well yes, it is. It is pretty arrogant to think that if we played France 20 times they wouldnt beat us once. '"
it's not arrogant at all. It's a pretty fair claim based on the strength of the two nations teams and past results in similar situations. It's not undue, it's not unfounded. And it cannot be compared to Eng/GB vs Aus.
I'm beginning to think you don't understand the meaning of he word arrogance!
Quote: SmokeyTA "So losing 6 times in 20 years is a lot worse than losing 17 times in 11?'"
If the other side of the stick is winning 0 and winning more than 0, than yes, it is worse  |
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this whole argument is pointless.
until france has at least 25 players worthy of plying there trade in the SLE they will never compete with england in friendlies or competitions.
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A Championship select would beat France on occasion , they would provide a better test for the Euro Countries
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