And of course, the entire game of rugby league for a vast majority of its history.

its mostly football fans who have a top=champions out look.

Oh dear.

I've heard it all. Seriously, are you a Leeds fan?

Pre SL when Wigan dominated from about 1992-1996 - they won about 48 games a season out of 50 nearly every year. I think, if i'm right, they lost a Regal Trophy final one year to Cas, lost a Prem Trophy final to Saints one year as well. Each of them losses cost Wigan 'the Grand Slam' 4 out 4 trophies.

Did Wigan bottle them games in your opinion?

and explain why?

If they lost to an inferior team and didnt perform to their ability then I would expect so.

I imagine there are occasions when stringing together a bunch of words and phrases you've heard works for you. Unfortunately this isn't one of them.

I wasnt at the meeting in 1906 when they decided to crown the champions by play-off rather than the league so im probably not the person to ask

I think we have different ideas on what 'bottling it' means?

I'm presuming it means not being able to handle the occasion because of the pressure and thus not playing well as you are too nervous?

Isnt any sentence is just stringing together words and phrases you have heard?
Maybe thats why you are talking such nonsense, you are using words and phrases you have never heard before so you dont know what they mean. That explains a lot.

I would have said not performing to your potential in the big games, for what ever reason.

It helps to know their meaning before you use them, otherwise their usage is what we might call "incongruous".


Then perhaps you could specify these words and phrases, by quoting me, and explain my incorrect usage, thus demonstrating to us all your own superior understanding of their meaning.

So if the best team is wiped out by a virus the night before the game, and an entire under 21 side has to play the GF instead, and loses, have that said team 'bottled it'?


Anyway we are going away from the point. The 5th placed team winning the GF has IMO, reduced the regular season to no more than a series of friendlies, the players know that and simply won't be able to give their all next season meaning we will have a sub standard competition.

You could argue the season we have just had has already shown that this has already set in.

I used to say to my football supporting mates that the biggest difference between RL and football was that when 2 big teams play in RL, you nearly always get a cracking game, when 2 big teams play in football, you nearly always get a boring game.

Think of the clashes between Wigan, Wire, Saints and Leeds last season. Was there one good game? I don't think there was, and i think its because the teams are not as bothered about winning in the regular season, 'as long as they win when it matters' i.e the playoffs therefore the regular season does not matter anymore and we are wasting our money going.

Without even giving it much thought, Leeds vs Wire and Wigan vs Wire were excellent. But I understand that doesn't fit your narrative.

Your attempt to be smart didnt quite work there did it. You have simply said the same thing I did. Have you really descended to "I know you are, you said you are, so what am I"?

I have already done that for you once, you ignored it, i assume because you knew you had been caught out. You have also been quite adamant that 'too easy' and 'not hard enough' arent synonyms, which would lead me to believe you dont know what those phrases mean.