I think O'L would get in any team in the world tbh if he went for a price.
I don't think a single team in the world has 3 backrowers better than him, lets be honest if Flanagan can do it jeeesus O'L could

Yeah, I'd agree with that.

I think there is alot of people who don't rate O'L for some reason, but he is definitely up there with the best English back rowers for a start.

I wish Ellis played like this at Leeds.

With quality players around them some players thrive

Lockers is currently the most creative 13 in the world along with defence to match anyone.

13 is a vital position and to say he’s the most creative is mind numbing. I’m sorry but the most creative 13 in the world would of created something against Leeds in a challenge cup match.

Whilst he’s been fantastic in the league and he did well for England. Something just doesn’t quite add up when he can't perform a winning move when it matters.

couple of great hits from burgess in the game vs penrith last week

i'm very impressed with burgess's second row partner at souths dave taylor this season - already an origin call up and looking good for the aussie side for the four nations

Carl Ablett is currently the best second rower in leeds.

Not even the best 2nd rower at Leeds.

Who?

At Leeds? In Super League? In the World?? Which do you mean??

He's nowhere near Langley, O'Loughlin, Ellis, Burgess, Tomkins or Westwood for England.

To say Ablett is nowhere near Langley or Westwood is imo a ridiculous statement. From what i've seen of him, he's playing really well, and is starting to get some of the credit he deserves.
I think he should possibly be in the england squad for the 4 nations, if he keeps playing as he is. Its a shame for him that he plays in the one position we have a decent amount of strength in depth, cant see him gettin much, if any game time for England because of this.

Go on Gareth lad! A great product of the Wakey academy, he deserves all the success he has achieved so far and more. One of the Wakefield greats.

tbh i rate ablett as a good player but i dont see what he would offer England that we don't already have. I rate Westwood at club level, he's been PHENOMINAL for us at times but compared to the worlds greats no matter how hard that guys trains, he's just not got it the same way Ablett, Langley et al haven't.
O'Loughlin imo has, no he's not the best in the world but to dismiss him as some do is ridiculous, tbh I think any NRL team would take him and the all round game he offers (can do multiple roles to international standard) is brilliant. Any team would take him but he isn't a player that would make a world XIII but is a top bracket player that Westwood, Langley cant offer. In most club teams he would be a ball playing loose but at int level he'd be a super solid tackling machine better than any in our division imo, top player.