The one he missed in the GF (although from the touchline) last year in the GF was quite crucial. It meant when Danny McGuire scored his second try, Leeds had an 8 point cushion.

I don't think it would have made much difference to be quite honest. Saints just didn't get going that night and Leeds played well.

What would Longs total points be? Deacon will be on a fair wack, achieved 2,000 goals for bradford during the 2007 season.

I don,t think it was 2000 goals for Deacon it was 2000 points, he has scored about 2500 points with Longy on about the same.
So if people are saying that Longy is not a good goalkicker does that mean Deacon isn.t either.

I've always thought Long was more likely to bang one over from the line than from in front of the sticks.

Certainly when it is a key kick anyway.

Long also provides the added advantage of a quality scrum half by scoring and making a decent share of tries.

Who cares?

i really noticed his poor goalkicking towards the end of last season...could he have some kind of 'yips' problem?

Longy has scored about 153 tries, his kicking of the 1000 goals has been on a part time basis. For 4 seasons it use to be scully for 400+ goals also Lyon kicked quite a few.
So if Longy kicked all through his match career his potential would have been closer to 1500 goals.
Does that mean people are casting judgement on his 2009 performance.

Spot on, I'm in the latter category but the game needs the Long, Newton, Jimmy Lowes characters.

Newton, how the hell is Newton a charachter????

Or do you mean we need someone to loathe?

he cant kick for s***, i seriously believe that if he wasnt such a prima donna, he would of been dropped as kicker a long time ago

Shows how much you know. Its a well documented fact he hates kicking and doesnt want to kick but does so because there is no one else.