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| It's not a vote of no confidence, though, is it?
Aside from the fact that his salary is none of our business.
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| The player participation stat, if true, is damning.
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| The Wembley attendance figures are misleading. In 2007 the attendance was over 84,000 because Catalans was playing. Since then Catalans has not made Wembley and so there is less interest in the matches.
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| Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "The Wembley attendance figures are misleading. In 2007 the attendance was over 84,000 because Catalans was playing. Since then Catalans has not made Wembley and so there is less interest in the matches.'"
So it's Catalans fault is it?
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| Quote: Sir Kevin Sinfield "I don't think many could negotiate a 50% pay increase on the back of that record.'"
I have not checked this recently, but didn't Wood's pay go from £252k to £314k? An increase of circa 20%?
The servay is a result of jealousy based on pay. Pure and simple.
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| Quote: Mild mannered Janitor "The servay is a result of jealousy based on pay. Pure and simple.'"
I think that's simplistic. As stakeholders in a sport that appears to be, at best, standing still, I think it's reasonable for people to have a view on how the man responsible for the health and welfare of the game is performing. Perhaps basing it around his salary is an error - but his stewardship of the game is certainly subject to scrutiny.
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| Quote: bren2k "I think that's simplistic. As stakeholders in a sport that appears to be, at best, standing still, I think it's reasonable for people to have a view on how the man responsible for the health and welfare of the game is performing. Perhaps basing it around his salary is an error - but his stewardship of the game is certainly subject to scrutiny.'"
It is simplistic and if pressed I be very much in the "lets have a new man in charge camp", but would this petition have been start d if it had not been for the releasing of salary details?
It's not that difficult to find out the highest paid directors salary, you can get that from the financial statements, hence, I knew his pay was circa £252k in th previous year.
The game is going backwards, there is no doubt. I have looked at some of the comments on that petition, some are reasonable but some are just petty minded and a couple are plain insulting. Is that the really going to be taken seriously?
Personally I think the position of CEO has a live span of approx 5 years. Beyond that, if there is not progress then it's time for change AS familiarity breeds Contempt.
The creator of the petition no doubt has the best interest at heart. It's timing, shortly after Wood's salary was published is poor and will be pointed to question its credibility.
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| Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "The Wembley attendance figures are misleading. In 2007 the attendance was over 84,000 because Catalans was playing. Since then Catalans has not made Wembley and so there is less interest in the matches.'"
You Sir are Nuts and it is time you got on your Bike and left the country
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| Quote: "It's timing, shortly after Wood's salary was published is poor and will be pointed to question its credibility.'"
Granted, but there has to be a correlation between the two. Hence why I think there should be an agreed strategy with KPI's to measure his performance against. if not it ends up where we are today. Subjective and personal.
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| Quote: wire-quin "Granted, but there has to be a correlation between the two. Hence why I think there should be an agreed strategy with KPI's to measure his performance against. if not it ends up where we are today. Subjective and personal.'"
Absolutely...
What is the long term plan for the game? Does anybody know?
Is expansion a direction the game is wanting to head in? If so, do we know why? What areas are we targetting? What are the long term plans to get there? What are we doing at grass roots level to build the infratructure a professional club requires to build from?
What is the plan with regards attendances? Are we looking to improve attendances at grounds? Or are we more focussed on the commerial aspect of TV audiances? Whichever it is, what is the long term aim? What are the goals? What plans are in place to get there? Or is it both (which I'd guess it is)? If so, how are we going to manage to directly conflicting goals, and again, what are the short term/long term plans and goals?
It feels very much that we just plod along in the 'here and now' with no long term thinking or strategy. We just protect what we've got currently and fire fight the various issues that come along (clubs struggling financially, trends in the game, the NRL moving light years ahead, inability to attract top players). That's not a way to make any business thrive. We need a visionary - someone who can see past the current issues and look at the long term future of the game. We shouldn't worry too much about the NRL's massive salary cap and losing talent right now, we should focus on how we make the game over here the absolute best it can be - if we do that, we'll start attracting more money into the game and many of our currrent issues will then be resolved.
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| Correct me if I'm wrong, but in 17 years we've only had TWO people running the RFL. If that doesn't explain how stagnant the sport has become, I don't know what will!
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| Quote: wire-quin "Granted, but there has to be a correlation between the two. Hence why I think there should be an agreed strategy with KPI's to measure his performance against. if not it ends up where we are today. Subjective and personal.'"
I don't think there should be any correlation between a roles pay and performance, the pay is the rate it demands whether that's 30k or 300k and that role should be fulfilled to a set of given parameters.
Once you get into correlation of pay vs role you get into the whole rubbish of comparing nurses job to any high paid job CEO / sportsman etc.
Pay is and always has been dictated by two things, can anyone else do what you do and how much cash do you generate for your given company.
If the RFL is making a profit and seeing growth then the argument for no confidence will be seriously flawed.
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Quote: Superted "Absolutely...
What is the long term plan for the game? Does anybody know?
Is expansion a direction the game is wanting to head in? If so, do we know why? What areas are we targetting? What are the long term plans to get there? What are we doing at grass roots level to build the infratructure a professional club requires to build from?
What is the plan with regards attendances? Are we looking to improve attendances at grounds? Or are we more focussed on the commerial aspect of TV audiances? Whichever it is, what is the long term aim? What are the goals? What plans are in place to get there? Or is it both (which I'd guess it is)? If so, how are we going to manage to directly conflicting goals, and again, what are the short term/long term plans and goals?
It feels very much that we just plod along in the 'here and now' with no long term thinking or strategy. We just protect what we've got currently and fire fight the various issues that come along (clubs struggling financially, trends in the game, the NRL moving light years ahead, inability to attract top players). That's not a way to make any business thrive. We need a visionary - someone who can see past the current issues and look at the long term future of the game. We shouldn't worry too much about the NRL's massive salary cap and losing talent right now, we should focus on how we make the game over here the absolute best it can be - if we do that, we'll start attracting more money into the game and many of our currrent issues will then be resolved.'"
If anyone wants to understand the RFL's strategy and objectives, its all here
media.therfl.co.uk/docs/RFL-Rugb ... 4-2021.pdf
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Quote: Superted "Absolutely...
What is the long term plan for the game? Does anybody know?
Is expansion a direction the game is wanting to head in? If so, do we know why? What areas are we targetting? What are the long term plans to get there? What are we doing at grass roots level to build the infratructure a professional club requires to build from?
What is the plan with regards attendances? Are we looking to improve attendances at grounds? Or are we more focussed on the commerial aspect of TV audiances? Whichever it is, what is the long term aim? What are the goals? What plans are in place to get there? Or is it both (which I'd guess it is)? If so, how are we going to manage to directly conflicting goals, and again, what are the short term/long term plans and goals?
It feels very much that we just plod along in the 'here and now' with no long term thinking or strategy. We just protect what we've got currently and fire fight the various issues that come along (clubs struggling financially, trends in the game, the NRL moving light years ahead, inability to attract top players). That's not a way to make any business thrive. We need a visionary - someone who can see past the current issues and look at the long term future of the game. We shouldn't worry too much about the NRL's massive salary cap and losing talent right now, we should focus on how we make the game over here the absolute best it can be - if we do that, we'll start attracting more money into the game and many of our currrent issues will then be resolved.'"
If anyone wants to understand the RFL's strategy and objectives, its all here
media.therfl.co.uk/docs/RFL-Rugb ... 4-2021.pdf
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| Quote: Stanley Unwin "If anyone wants to understand the RFL's strategy and objectives, its all here
Principle one of that 13-point plan is the key one for me. We simply don't have the key stakeholders aligned to the common goal, because too many clubs either don't have the skills to reach it, or because others don't share that same vision.
I posted this on the RFL Exec's thread - it sums up where I think they key problem is with the sport at large.
Quote: Stanley Unwin "This is where there is a real lack of joined-up thinking from the RFL and the other key stakeholders - the clubs.
There is a fair criticism to be made that the sport is poorly marketed. What I think is unfair is how most of the blame for that is pinned on the RFL. If you actually look at attendances for the main events that the RFL is responsible for marketing (the Grand Final, Magic Weekend and the CC Final), the trendline points upwards for each of those events.
The vast majority of the events in the RL calendar are league and cup fixtures where the responsibility for marketing those fixtures falls onto the clubs - and that is the biggest failure of the sport in my view.
Whilst the RFL has its responsibilities to market the league as an entity, as a very basic 'Marketing 101 approach', you have to grow the audience at the main point of consumption - and this is invariably at local level. That local engagement then feeds into support for international events and the wider sport.
What seems to happen at the moment is that the RFL provides some branding and some collateral at the start of the season, but the clubs seem free to use that as much or as little as they want. There's very little consistency of activity, and very little joined-up thinking between the RFL/SLE and the clubs.
We have 12 Super League clubs, and very little growth at the majority of them, so we really need to look at why - and what they are doing to engage new supporters, to encourage ticket sales, to speak to and cater for the sorts of audiences that we want to attract, and the audiences that will attract the sort of sponsors that we want to attract, to engage young people through their community system to play the sport - all pretty basic points of marketing. The clubs know their local markets much better than the RFL. They know their proposition much better than the RFL and they know their business models much better than the RFL - the onus is on them to all deliver audience growth at a local level.
Forgive the anecdote, but I know of two clubs that have no documented social media marketing plan - despite this form of media offering enormous opportunities to overcome what many in the sport percieve as a media bias against us. I can tell you of another that is spending 60% of it's social media advertising budget advertising to people who are already buying the product being advertised. This is basic stuff that they should have been getting right five years ago - not still struggling with today.
It's not the RFL's fault that certain clubs can't sell tickets for a true, sustainable market value. It's not the RFL's fault that some clubs struggle to engage new supporters. It's not the RFL's fault that some clubs still play in grounds that really aren't condusive to attracting people new to the sport. It's not the RFL's fault that around half of the England squad in the Four Nations came from the acadamies of three clubs. It's not the RFL's fault that clubs can't get basic marketing principles right, or that they see marketing as a cost centre.
The RFL deserves it's criticisms but there's no doubt in my mind that it is being hamstrung by pretty much all of the member clubs in one shape or form. It's time we started sharing the blame accordingly, rather than always looking to Red Hall.'"
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| Quote: bramleyrhino "There is a fair criticism to be made that the sport is poorly marketed. What I think is unfair is how most of the blame for that is pinned on the RFL. If you actually look at attendances for the main events that the RFL is responsible for marketing (the Grand Final, Magic Weekend and the CC Final), the trendline points upwards for each of those events.
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If anyone wants to understand the RFL's strategy and objectives, its all here
Yes the clubs should be held responsible for some of the figures before but as part of their own strategic plan..
Sell out the ‘Million Pound’ game on one occasion by 2017;
2015 Belle Vue 7,236 Capacity 9,333
2016 Craven Park 6,562 Capacity: 12,225
So not only did it not sell out, but attendance went down.
• Sell out on one day of the Summer Bash by 2017;
2017 Bloomfield Road 11,557 Capacity: 17,338
Only two years into the 6 year plan and they have already failed.
I HATE the dick waving the RFL did when they said it was a record breaking weekend,
with 16,444 there over the weekend, glossing over the fact the Sunday figures would be 4887. Almost a quarter the capacity.
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