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1. Tomkins - Didn't seem to want to put his body on the line and didn't come into the line enough - 5
2. Hall - Looked dangerous many times he got the ball - 8
3. Reed - Didn't really see him put a foot wrong - 7
4. Yeaman - Got caught out defensively time & time again - 4
5. Briscoe -Dropped kick early on, then dropped two passes because he had his hands down his side - 4
6. Sinfield - Created nothing. Don't tihnk he brought Tomkins into the line once - 5
7. Chase - As above - 5
8. Graham - Solid as ever - 7
9. Roby - Didn't do much wrong - 7
10. Peacock - Ineffective and decided to have a breather while defending, cost a try. - 5
11. Wilkin - Solid - 7
12. Ellis - Didn't noticed him and bombed a greta opportuntity - 6
13. Westwood - Didn't notice him after 10 minutes - 6
14. Widdop - Looked more dangerous in his 15 minutes spell than Sinfield & Chase did all game -7
15. Morley - Solid - 7
16. JJB - Ran hard but hard too many brain farts - 6
17. Carvell - Solid - 6

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how on earth have you got sinfield in same rating as ellis?

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Hall for me was our most dangerous player and looked good. Yeaman and briscoe were at fault for the pass that went out, would have been screaming down the wing.

Also think JJB had a ok game and a good series.
Graham played well and I also though wilkin was good had a ok game

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those ratings are a bit messed up imo Bull Mania's seemed a lot more accurate

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Quote: rafsanjhani "how on earth have you got sinfield in same rating as ellis?'"

Didnt think Ellis was that crash hot TBH.

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Quote: TheSaints87 "those ratings are a bit messed up imo Bull Mania's seemed a lot more accurate'"

Would agree also

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6. Sinfield - Created nothing. (Apart from our only try)

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Quote: deginner "6. Sinfield - Created nothing. (Apart from our only try)'"


With a terrible pass that nearly got his winger killed.

If he passed it properly Hall would have gone in the corner untouched.

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Quote: Gronk! "With a terrible pass that nearly got his winger killed.

If he passed it properly Hall would have gone in the corner untouched.'"


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It was a brilliant pass, especially considering it was on his wrong hand.

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I'm always a little bit disappointed with Ellis at international level. To say he's picked up West's player of the year a few times he doesn't really play like it for England.

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Quote: Loyal Leeds Fan "I'm always a little bit disappointed with Ellis at international level. To say he's picked up West's player of the year a few times he doesn't really play like it for England.'"

this.

Has never really shown p for England

Jack Reed on the other hand has come from (metaphorically) nowhere to England superstar. As a saints fan, shenton will have to have an amazing season to get the england 3 shirt back

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Quote: Loyal Leeds Fan "I'm always a little bit disappointed with Ellis at international level. To say he's picked up West's player of the year a few times he doesn't really play like it for England.'"


I agree, same for Burgess when he played. It's up to the England coach to enhance there domestic game ready for the international requirement.
For me only Graham, Hall, Reed and Roby have performed consistently well over the 4 matches.
Too many players performing below par when the pressure is on.

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Quote: Saint Simon "this.

Has never really shown p for England

Jack Reed on the other hand has come from (metaphorically) nowhere to England superstar. As a saints fan, shenton will have to have an amazing season to get the england 3 shirt back'"


Shenton over Yeaman for me.

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Quote: Judder Man "I agree, same for Burgess when he played. It's up to the England coach to enhance there domestic game ready for the international requirement.
For me only Graham, Hall, Reed and Roby have performed consistently well over the 4 matches.
Too many players performing below par when the pressure is on.'"


I actually think Burgess has done pretty well internationally. He was one of the only players to turn up against Australia in 2009 in both the final and at the DW if I remember correctly. Before today I thought all the players had done pretty well in the series, but today everyone was below par. Tomkins, Briscoe, JP, Ellis, Morley etc. - all excellent players - didn't show it tonight.

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So Kevin Sinfield. Where are all those who denied that he was terrible last week?

He isn't good enough at 6 at international level. Pure and simple. For all the solidity his organisational qualities bring, he is the reason we didn't push them closer tonight.

Score at 8-8 with nearly an hour played and we are on the Australian 10m line with a full set. Sinfield steps up as ever and pops two of his trademark short lateral passes that are around the ears of the runners. All the pressure gone and so were our chances. He did it again the next time we were in that position and it characterises the 4Nations for England. The pack has laid a decent enough platform but we've not been able to apply any pressure at all when it mattered.

He was dreadful today.

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