Yes, in the context of expansion, SL is a valid part of the debate.

Am I sure Leighton Samuel invested some money in SL? yes, you should be careful inferring such things unless you have evidence to back them up.

no, clearly not, But neither do we want to stifle innovation and expansion because of fear.

It would also dis-incentivise any sensible or capable businessman from ever becoming involved in the sport.

There are better ways of doing it.

Yes you are correct , he was wrong and I was wrong in stating the same , the Celtic Crusaders have never [ to my knowledge ] infringed Vias regulations in the UK since they entered SL

They just did it the two years before that to get into SL

OK with that

Lets face it the contribution to the debate is greatly enhanced by this relevation of yours , you should be congratulated on spotting the mistake , and ' milking ' it for all your worth

You must be really chuffed to have got one right for a change

They will , if they last long enough , how long is long enough do you think , for the Crusaders , not the SWS , to produce players ?

The RFL havent taken any action yet , beause they are still conductiong the ' investigation ' 12 months later , I'm sure in a few months time they will publish the conclusion of their investigation , Quite possibly on the same day as Prince William marries Kate whotsersname

It wasn't in this debate , it was quite specific in that until a club was able to support itself financially it would remain in Championship 1

Fear of what ? , being found out to be dishonest or an idiot ?

so what visa did they play under in 07/08 and what visa did they play under in 09 ?.

There are lots of very sensible and capable businessmen who havent a clue how to run a sports club , but they are still allowed to do it , thats why we have clubs constantly in trouble financially

I would have said , if you want somebody to take something seriously instead of treating it like a ' hobby ' the best way is to make them commit to spending money from the start

The events of the last two years have clearly set the plan back a little, but lets be honest they have 2 or 3 development products getting a lot of game time, Elliott Kear, Ben Flower, Lloyd White which is comparable to some established heartland clubs. IMO with everything that has gone on that is a fantastic acheivement.

I would expect that by 2015, if they are still in SL, that we should be looking for 6 born and bred welshmen who have come through the pathways set up by Crusaders to be getting regular first team action. That should be the aim.

But the overall aim would be to get them into a position where they were viable for SL, so it is relevant whether or not it was a way of preparing clubs for SL, whether it was the best way to do so, or whether putting them in the C1 would achieve much in and of itself

fear of a club not succeeding.

and as i said, we can commit them to spending money from the start, without forcing a start-up business to find £6million more than it needs to.