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Quote: Starbug "Tell me what a supporters trust purpose is , IYO'"


I would suggest it isn't to embarrass your own club on live TV by conducting a protest against something that your own board signed up to and have said was conducted fairly and reasonably...

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Quote: Andy Gilder "I would suggest it isn't to embarrass your own club on live TV by conducting a protest against something that your own board signed up to and have said was conducted fairly and reasonably...'"


Except the protest isn't just about the Fax application issue or the request for a return to P and R , its about a general lack of respect and thought shown to all the semi pro clubs outside SL

But as that doesn't affect you , it wont bother you , so why are you bothered ?

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Quote: Starbug "Except the protest isn't just about the Fax application issue or the request for a return to P and R , its about a general lack of respect and thought shown to all the semi pro clubs outside SL

But as that doesn't affect you , it wont bother you , so why are you bothered ?'"

So on the one hand you complain that SL fans aren't interested in anything outside of SL, and on the other hand when some of them SHOW some interest you tell them to go away because it doesn't concern them?

You couldn't make it up.

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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: Kosh "So on the one hand you complain that SL fans aren't interested in anything outside of SL, and on the other hand when some of them SHOW some interest you tell them to go away because it doesn't concern them?

You couldn't make it up.'"


No the complaint is that the sports governing body isn't interested in anything outside SL , the opion of fans of SL clubs dont make a difference either way , but generally they are disparaging and belittling in their comments without understanding the actual argument , much like your good self , lots of ' quippy ' one liners , but with no substance or meaning , just attempting to be clever , and failing miserably

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Well I think the protest is a stupid idea, and will only serve to make Halifax fans look petty, if it still goes ahead.

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Quote: Wheels "Well I think the protest is a stupid idea, and will only serve to make Halifax fans look petty, if it still goes ahead.'"


Its a free world you are entitiled to your opinion icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Wheels "Well I think the protest is a stupid idea, and will only serve to make Halifax fans look petty, if it still goes ahead.'"


I still think they have a decent case to feel angry but I agree such a protest would not gain them anything whatsoever.

I will say this. It is easy for people in super league ivory towers to dismiss how people are feeling and categorise them as ignorant or stupid or whatever but until they've been through the process and felt what they are feeling they should keep their mouths shut.

Losing out on a license is bad enough but when there is so much politics involved it invokes a special sort of anger. One of the drawbacks of the system, putting people into haves and have nots and keeping them there by committee, it's not exactly fun.

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It would be nice for the Halifax fans who attended last season's game against Batley--actually turned up again for a game. Mind you they would have to pay this time.

Perhaps the RFL saw through the blatant attempt at fiddling attendances figures to get the magical 2500 average.

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Quote: John S "It would be nice for the Halifax fans who attended last season's game against Batley--actually turned up again for a game. Mind you they would have to pay this time.

Perhaps the RFL saw through the blatant attempt at fiddling attendances figures to get the magical 2500 average.'"


You mean the attendance fiddle the RFL suggested to Fax to achieve the criteria to apply for SL , so that they had a 15 club application process , instead of a 14 club elimination process ?

That one ?

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Quote: Starbug "You mean the attendance fiddle the RFL suggested to Fax to achieve the criteria to apply for SL , so that they had a 15 club application process , instead of a 14 club elimination process ?

That one ?'"


Know that for a fact do you? Link us up then please. icon_smile.gif

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Quote: Wheels "Know that for a fact do you? Link us up then please.
Mr Steele ( Fax Chairman ) mentioned it in his post licence fiasco interview

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Quote: Starbug "Mr Steele ( Fax Chairman ) mentioned it in his post licence fiasco interview'"

With your form of painting something someone has said in a completely different way to what they actually said, I simply dont believe you. See the "Leigh banned from having youth sides" thread.

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Quote: Starbug "Mr Steele ( Fax Chairman ) mentioned it in his post licence fiasco interview'"


Ah right, so I am to believe something that was apparently said whilst someone had majorly thrown their toys out of the pram. Ok then.

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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: Wheels "Ah right, so I am to believe something that was apparently said whilst someone had majorly thrown their toys out of the pram. Ok then.


So you are calling him a liar ? No problem , believe what you want

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