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Quote: Dreamer "I simply can't be bothered to enter into multiple, multi point posts to answer you, suffice to say that I don't agree and most of what you put is speculation to fulfil you viewpoint.

What I found rather alarming is the statement "Whether SL has had chance to do this or not is irrelevant" I would have thought it quite obvious that us not doing it previously isnt a very good reason to not do it going forward, so whether we have done it previously or not is irrelevant to whether or not we should do it in the future.

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Quote: SmokeyTA ".
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And ill repeat what I said before, i can see no reason why the lower leagues are any more deserving of any 'free money' we can afford to distribute than youth and amateur RL. In fact I would say in the list of priorities there is daylight between Youth and Amateur RL, and then the championships.
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It's a good job that the decision isn't left to small minded idiots like you then.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "No, the arent. SL money goes to SL (europe) it is then distributed by the RFL to the SL clubs (and 1/16th to the championships and 1/16th to the RFL) the RFL cannot just decide to give more elsewhere. Sky dont care where it goes. They pay for a product, they have criteria in their contracts. After that they couldnt give a f@ck.

it would be the SL clubs making that decision.'"


Yes, if you read my post, that is what I put, if part of SKY s ' critera ' ( which you or I dont actually have access to ) is a level of competitivness that isnt being reached, they could eventually withdraw their funding, so they are part of the decision making process, the RFL also do contribute to it if we are to believe the London Bronco s resignation threat of years past

And if you consider the geographical spread of the Championships compared to SL at the moment, then an improvement of those competitions and the clubs in them ( especially if it was money spent directly on marketing to local populace ) could make huge strides in the growth of RL and SL, only an idiot would suggest otherwise

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Quote: a.n Other "It's a good job that the decision isn't left to small minded idiots like you then.'"

Yeah, im the small minded one. Definitely not the ones wanting free money for their semi-pro club given to them so they can employ a few more semi-pro players. Its definitely the one who wants it to go to youth development and amateur RL.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "Yeah, im the small minded one. Definitely not the ones wanting free money for their semi-pro club given to them so they can employ a few more semi-pro players. Its definitely the one who wants it to go to youth development and amateur RL.'"

Yes, you are.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "Yeah, im the small minded one. Definitely not the ones wanting free money for their semi-pro club given to them so they can employ a few more semi-pro players. Its definitely the one who wants it to go to youth development and amateur RL.'"


I've just realised it!

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Quote: Starbug "Yes, if you read my post, that is what I put, if part of SKY s ' critera ' ( which you or I dont actually have access to ) is a level of competitivness that isnt being reached, they could eventually withdraw their funding, so they are part of the decision making process, the RFL also do contribute to it if we are to believe the London Bronco s resignation threat of years past

And if you consider the geographical spread of the Championships compared to SL at the moment, then an improvement of those competitions and the clubs in them ( especially if it was money spent directly on marketing to local populace ) could make huge strides in the growth of RL and SL, only an idiot would suggest otherwise'"
No, Sky arent. 'Level of competitiveness' is one of those things that doesnt actually exist in real-life, Just on these boards. Rights Contracts arent written on the basis of vague and unprovable nonsense like 'level of competitiveness'. Sky's contract with SL(europe) has criteria in it that will be along the lines of they will purchase x number of games, they want x number of teams in the league, they want the rights to show x, y, and z, they want the games to be played in slots a,b,c and the season to last between x and y.

These criteria are real definable things. IMG will not allow a clause in the contract where sky can break it on the basis that it isnt at the right 'level of competitiveness', and the SL(europe) wouldnt sign one.

People seem to have this idea that every couple of years Barney Francis and Nigel Wood sit down and have a chat about what Sky want from us. Then he scurrys away and does, and Sky are sat there overseeing the decisions we are making an checking everything. This isnt the case. They really arent in cahoots planning things together.

Sky have what they want, we have what we want, Sky have how much money they want to pay, we have how much money we want to get paid. We go to them with a tender, they come back with their offer. We cross the i's and dot the t's and it is done.

Only an idiot would suggest that spending money marketing championship clubs to their local populace would make huge strides in the growth of SL, only an even bigger idiot would suggest that spending money marketing championship clubs to their local populace would make bigger strides in the growth of SL than just spending that money marketing SL clubs to their local populace.

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Quote: a.n Other "Yes, you are.'"

yeah, cos giving money to private businesses who can't afford to be at the level they want to be it is obviously the open minded thing to do. Sod the kids playing our game, a couple of hundred people want to watch their pit village play at a higher level, and that of course is the most important thing.

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Nowhere have I suggested a ' breaking of contract ' but the potential of offering less in the future

So you suggest increasing marketing in South Wales, North Wales, Gatehead, London, Hemel, Oxford or Gloucester is not going to help the growth of RL? d040.gif

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Quote: Starbug "Nowhere have I suggested a ' breaking of contract ' but the potential of offering less in the future '"
Now you are just backtracking. We can just accept that Sky wont be part of that decision making process and wont have criteria which includes nonsense like 'level of competitiveness'.

Quote: Starbug "So you suggest increasing marketing in South Wales, North Wales, Gatehead, London, Hemel, Oxford or Gloucester is not going to help the growth of RL? Only in the same way you are suggesting that increasing marketing in Wakefield, Salford, London, Widnes, Perpignan is not going to help the growth of RL.

We dont have an infinite amount of money, whatever we spend there is an opportunity cost.

If we were giving money to the championships, it doesnt just have to show that it is a worthwhile use of money, it has to show that it is a better use of money than the alternatives.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "Now you are just backtracking. We can just accept that Sky wont be part of that decision making process and wont have criteria which includes nonsense like 'level of competitiveness'.

Only in the same way you are suggesting that increasing marketing in Wakefield, Salford, London, Widnes, Perpignan is not going to help the growth of RL.

We dont have an infinite amount of money, whatever we spend there is an opportunity cost.

If we were giving money to the championships, it doesnt just have to show that it is a worthwhile use of money, it has to show that it is a better use of money than the alternatives.'"


In that case there could be an argument to layer SKY payments depending on financial performance with the best getting least and the worst getting most , but that would be absurd , wouldnt it

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21 pages in and Smokey still banging on about Championship clubs. This is all being led by weak SuperLeague clubs and will be voted in by SL chairmen.

What a prick.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "Yeah, im the small minded one. Definitely not the ones wanting free money for their semi-pro club given to them so they can employ a few more semi-pro players. Its definitely the one who wants it to go to youth development and amateur RL.'"

As many have suggested ( based on I think US Basketball? ) a nice way to put extra funds into the amateur game is through a tax on salary cap overspend.

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Why are people assuming any extra money the champ clubs will get is going to come from the sky deal?

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