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| I quite like the Scottish football system. Bottom and top change places and then 2-5 in championship have play-offs, play-off winner plays 11th in premiership and winner goes up/stays up. So definitely 1 promotion and maintains the interest a bit longer with possibility of a second.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "The only plus point for the new system is that it maintains interest for fans of the bottom 4/5 clubs, rather than maybe having nothing to play for after half a season.
It's a little unfair to say that the Championship Clubs should improve in oreder to compete in the MPG.
If we had a 1 up 1 down system (and should they gain promotion with the current system) their team would change significantly in the close season in readiness for SL.
In an ideal world, the gap between the different leagues would be smaller and maybe this would allow for straight forward promotion and relegation.
However, with the sport trying to expand, the most sensible option would be some sort of franchise system, which could allow for new clubs to enter the competition plus allowing the clubs to improve their junior development (something that appears to be slipping already).'"
I agree though now the top Championship clubs get much higher funding so should be able to compete.
Ideally I'd love the sport to be strong enough to sustain regular P&R but sadly it's nowhere near. That's why I'd also go for a version of licensing. Though not the rubbish attempt at it we had from 2009-2014.
I'd have 10 year licences. With clubs monitored annually and with a full assessment at years 3 & 6. Encourage clubs to put longer term plans into place. I'd assess all aspects of a club with the biggest aspect being junior production and marketing/engagement/whatever you want to call it. Targets would be given to all clubs for all aspects.
At the end of the 10 year licence, the worst 3 clubs would be compared to prospective Championship clubs, who would also have been given targets to achieve and will also be assessed on those targets.
A SL club would have to be very poor in a lot of areas to be kicked out though could be put on notice for the next licence period.
A Championship club, if deemed good enough, could be added to the competition.
Id have a sliding scale of TV money payments, and extend the marquee allowance to 3 (and change the cap limit on it so it helps poorer clubs too) but if you want more than 1 marquee player you have to pay a tax of the equivalent of 50% of those players wages to the RFL for a central marketing and development fund.
I'd also scrap regular season tickets and have an RL one.
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| I'd keep the system as it is but scrap the MPG. A championship club is very unlikely ever to win it and, for the winning SL team it's just a celebration of absolute mediocrity. The middle eight should play play each other as now and the lowest placed SL team is relegated, the highest placed champ team is promoted irrespective of relative positions. Every game would definitely matter in that system.
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| Quote: Him "I agree though now the top Championship clubs get much higher funding so should be able to compete.
Ideally I'd love the sport to be strong enough to sustain regular P&R but sadly it's nowhere near. That's why I'd also go for a version of licensing. Though not the rubbish attempt at it we had from 2009-2014.
I'd have 10 year licences. With clubs monitored annually and with a full assessment at years 3 & 6. Encourage clubs to put longer term plans into place. I'd assess all aspects of a club with the biggest aspect being junior production and marketing/engagement/whatever you want to call it. Targets would be given to all clubs for all aspects.
At the end of the 10 year licence, the worst 3 clubs would be compared to prospective Championship clubs, who would also have been given targets to achieve and will also be assessed on those targets.
A SL club would have to be very poor in a lot of areas to be kicked out though could be put on notice for the next licence period.
A Championship club, if deemed good enough, could be added to the competition.
Id have a sliding scale of TV money payments, and extend the marquee allowance to 3 (and change the cap limit on it so it helps poorer clubs too) but if you want more than 1 marquee player you have to pay a tax of the equivalent of 50% of those players wages to the RFL for a central marketing and development fund.
I'd also scrap regular season tickets and have an RL one.'"
After 10 years under licencing no Championship club would be anywhere near in a position to displace a SL club
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| Quote: Kevs Head "I'd keep the system as it is but scrap the MPG. A championship club is very unlikely ever to win it and, for the winning SL team it's just a celebration of absolute mediocrity. The middle eight should play play each other as now and the lowest placed SL team is relegated, the highest placed champ team is promoted irrespective of relative positions. Every game would definitely matter in that system.'"
Wouldn't it just
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| Quote: GUBRATS "After 10 years under licencing no Championship would be anywhere near in a position to displace a SL club'"
Leigh were after 6. With similar funding to now and a second cup competition and RL season tickets to help boost the Championship event games.
Also, they don't even have to displace an SL club. Just prove they're worthy of inclusion. Then they'd have 10 years to justify their place. 10 years is nothing in the life of a club and is the kind of time frame we need clubs to be building plans for and with 10 years of guaranteed funding and the right incentives we can at least attempt to maximise our clubs potential rather constantly shifting funding/priorities/incentives.
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| Quote: Him "Leigh were after 6. With similar funding to now and a second cup competition and RL season tickets to help boost the Championship event games.
Also, they don't even have to displace an SL club. Just prove they're worthy of inclusion. Then they'd have 10 years to justify their place. 10 years is nothing in the life of a club and is the kind of time frame we need clubs to be building plans for and with 10 years of guaranteed funding and the right incentives we can at least attempt to maximise our clubs potential rather constantly shifting funding/priorities/incentives.'"
Similar funding as what ?
Leigh's gates were down to under 1300
We had a second cup
Explain how a RL season ticket would work ?
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| Quote: GUBRATS "Similar funding as what ?
Leigh's gates were down to under 1300
We had a second cup
Explain how a RL season ticket would work ?'"
And your crowds really jumped when you started winning the league and playing good rugby.
Not a cup involving SL teams.
I've explained my thoughts on a possible RL season ticket before. It has its own thread a page or so back.
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| Quote: Him "And your crowds really jumped when you started winning the league and playing good rugby.
Not a cup involving SL teams.
I've explained my thoughts on a possible RL season ticket before. It has its own thread a page or so back.'"
No they starting jumping when the return of on field promotion was announced , also when we then got an investor who was willing to invest because there was on field promotion , at Leigh we do not believe we would /will ever be given a licence , this includes the investor
So no on field promotion , no investor , no SL
So a second Challenge Cup ? , I'm sure that'll work
No idea , can't find it
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| Am I the only one who quite likes this system?
It gives Championship clubs who may have been unlucky with injuries through the season or for a final a real genuine chance at not only getting into the mix with it being four potential promotion spots, but also progressing themselves even if they have a strong challenger also looking for promotion.
I think Wakefield's recruitment policy last year will have opened eyes (see Soward) to show you can invest earlier to make a go of the middle 8's with less risk than hoping on a one off game, and then having a few short months of chaos in the old one up-one down system where you had to change virtually your entire squad after most decent players had already been snapped up.
There is the obvious big gap that last year showed, but I think over time, Championship clubs and players getting regular games against SL sides can only be a good thing, and besides, if they can't compete for four spots, then the club isn't strong enough to be in SL anyway.
The biggest problem in RL is the constant chopping and changing and never seeing anything through. Licensing/franchises are all well and fine, but it makes for a closed shop and the opportunity to fail without potential recourse (look how the RFL bottled threats of legal challenges last time), this way at least it forces the bottom 4 SL clubs to realise they have to compete. It will only take someone like London going up having invested in Soward to give Championship sides confidence that it can be done.
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| Quote: Newbridge_Wolf "Am I the only one who quite likes this system?
It gives Championship clubs who may have been unlucky with injuries through the season or for a final a real genuine chance at not only getting into the mix with it being four potential promotion spots, but also progressing themselves even if they have a strong challenger also looking for promotion.
I think Wakefield's recruitment policy last year will have opened eyes (see Soward) to show you can invest earlier to make a go of the middle 8's with less risk than hoping on a one off game, and then having a few short months of chaos in the old one up-one down system where you had to change virtually your entire squad after most decent players had already been snapped up.
There is the obvious big gap that last year showed, but I think over time, Championship clubs and players getting regular games against SL sides can only be a good thing, and besides, if they can't compete for four spots, then the club isn't strong enough to be in SL anyway.
The biggest problem in RL is the constant chopping and changing and never seeing anything through. Licensing/franchises are all well and fine, but it makes for a closed shop and the opportunity to fail without potential recourse (look how the RFL bottled threats of legal challenges last time), this way at least it forces the bottom 4 SL clubs to realise they have to compete. It will only take someone like London going up having invested in Soward to give Championship sides confidence that it can be done.'"
Alternatively, you could promote the top Championship club as of right, which would give a much clearer incentive to ALL Championship clubs.
I do agree with you about the sport chopping and changing too much (this is called being innovative at Red Hall )
Going back to promotion under the new system, surely there was no better chance than last season when Trinity were miles behind the rest of SL but, still too strong for the Championship pretenders ?
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Alternatively, you could promote the top Championship club as of right, which would give a much clearer incentive to ALL Championship clubs.
I do agree with you about the sport chopping and changing too much (this is called being innovative at Red Hall
One up, one down, or even two would be ideal, but short of a rich owner bankrolling a club, I think we've seen the sport just isn't strong enough to support that either financially or from the talent pool.
Re: Wakefield last year, going into it, absolutely, but I meant the way they brought players in for the middle 8's specifically was a game changer for how clubs will approach it now. It'll still be a challenge though.
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| Quote: Newbridge_Wolf "One up, one down, or even two would be ideal, but short of a rich owner bankrolling a club, I think we've seen the sport just isn't strong enough to support that either financially or from the talent pool.
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It still makes me chuckle when people mention "all of the players that came in".
The biggest 2 signings were Tim Smith & Kevin Locke and I think we'd all rather forget about those 2.
Plus, the transfers came about with the appointment of Brian Smith, who cam in when Trinity had won only 2 games and many of the squad changes happened well before the middle 8's.
The big thing was, James Webster telling the world that we'd effectively written the season off and that Trinity were going to prepare for the middle 8's.
Although everyone knew that Trinity were certainties to finish bottom, from a very early stage in the season, the head coach of a professional sporting club should never come out with this type of comment and it was a real kick in the teeth for all of the supporters.
Having said all that, the fault was not with Wakefield, the fault is with the system, which still allows for the same level of transfer activity. Therefore, the same thing can still happen, euither to struggling SL clubs or Championship clubs that want to roll the dice.
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| Whatever we think of the current system, we have to just stick with it for a few years now, another panic change would be a joke. I do agree that they should looked at the transfer situation with regard to the new system, and see no reason why that couldn't be tweaked.
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| Quote: Sir Kevin Sinfield "After today it is likely four teams will be on 12 points at the bottom of the table. Has bottom of the league ever been this close before?'"
I have no idea. It's been ten years since I checked the bottom of the league
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