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| 1. Hardaker
2. Makinson
3. Shenton
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5. Carney
6. Sneyd
7. Walsh
8. Hill/Huby
9. Clark
10. Peacock
11. Millington
12. Whitehead
13. Westerman
I really couldn't think of a second stand-out centre . . . . .
Both Hill and Huby have been outstanding this year, I couldn't split them.
From a club perspective, Gareth Ellis has been excellent for us this year, I'd like to think he wouldn't be far away from a place in the back-row.
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| Bowen
Carney
Shenton
Moon
Monaghan
Burns/Sneyd
Walsh
Hill
Clarke
Peacock
Whitehead
Bateman
Westerman
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| 1. Hardaker
2. Carney
3. Watkins
4. Monaghan
5. Hall
6. Sinfield
7. Walsh
8. Huby
9. Clark
10. Peacock
11. Bateman
12. Whitehead
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| 1. Hardaker
2. Carney
3. Shenton
4. Moon
5. Monaghan
6. Smith
7. Walsh
8. Hill
9. Roby
10. Peacock
11. Bateman
12. Whitehead
13. Westerman
Others who are very close:
Bowen
Hall
Makinson
Sneyd
Burns
Brown
Huby
Clark
Millington
O'Loughlin
Ablett
Also been very impressed with Mariano. Looked big, strong and fast.
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| No way will Roby get in the dream team ahead of Clark.
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| Quote: Towns88 "No way will Roby get in the dream team ahead of Clark.'"
Why? Roby is one of the few genuinely world class players still in Super League - he's had a "quiet year" relative to usual, yet still had a hand in 24 of saints tries (5 tries 19 assists) compared to 18 Clark has had, made 1063 tackles, missing 31 compared to Clarks 685 tackles and 31 misses and made 2612 metres compared to Clarks 2637 metres. He is our only senior playmaker left, and has single handedly carried us at times.
Clark has had a great year no doubt, but he's not head and shoulders above Roby to so arrogantly assume he automatically gets in ahead of Roby...
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| Not much to split Robes and Clarke this year, and its good that theres competition for every place. From Saints, Roby and Makinson probably our only contenders. Amor would probably have walked in if he hadnt been out for a few months, he's been immense. Same for Walsh.
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "Why? Roby is one of the few genuinely world class players still in Super League - he's had a "quiet year" relative to usual, yet still had a hand in 24 of saints tries (5 tries 19 assists) compared to 18 Clark has had, made 1063 tackles, missing 31 compared to Clarks 685 tackles and 31 misses and made 2612 metres compared to Clarks 2637 metres. He is our only senior playmaker left, and has single handedly carried us at times.
Clark has had a great year no doubt, but he's not head and shoulders above Roby to so arrogantly assume he automatically gets in ahead of Roby...'"
You have chosen those stats well, you didn't mention try's, tackle busts, average gain and clean breaks, all of which Clark is miles ahead. Roby is a great hooker, but Clark has been streets ahead of him and all other hookers this year. Should be Man of Steel IMO.
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| ^ correct.
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| Quote: Dave K. "You have chosen those stats well, you didn't mention try's, tackle busts, average gain and clean breaks, all of which Clark is miles ahead. Roby is a great hooker, but Clark has been streets ahead of him and all other hookers this year. Should be Man of Steel IMO.'"
I mentioned tries combined with assists - creating tries is as important to spine players as scoring them - to which its 5:19 to Roby and 12:6 to Clark, Tackles and metres made, the 3 most important stats surely? If a prop makes a 50 metre break and does nothing else all game, is he better or worse than a prop who takes it in 10 times but only makes 5 metres per carry? Both are equal in stats, the fans are more drawn to the 1 spectacular run, and every coach would rather have a player who puts his hand up.
In essence, tackle busts, average gain and clean breaks are all built into the metres made (of which they are equal minus 20 metres) - its easier to look explosive when your doing half the work. There was no creative accounting of stats - just the stats all the rest feed into - I suppose errors (13:17) and penalties (4:11) could count in factoring as well...
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61326_1313411800.jpg Friday 28th March, 2014, a day that will live in infamy...
[quote="Saddened!":fwnfr3rg]Whatever happens they have all been magnificent. Even Wello.[/quote:fwnfr3rg]
[quote="Saddened!":fwnfr3rg]Lance Hohaia can have my babies after that show[/quote:fwnfr3rg]
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| 1. Bowen
2. Makinson
3. Shenton
4. Gelling
5. Monaghan
6. Burns
7. Walsh/Smith
8. Hill
9. Clark
10. Peacock
11. Whitehead
12. Soliola
13. Westerman
Was a bit of a struggle for a centre other than Shenton, but Gelling has really developed at Wigan this year and gone from a bit of a joke player to a player who looks dangerous every time he gets ball and think he is the "best of the rest" for me.
Walsh has looked the classiest half back in SL when he has been fit, but think he may have missed too many games to be included. Behind him, Matty Smith has had a very good year at Wigan and should be partnering Widdop in halves for England at end of year (although this sadly wont happen with McBanana in charge)
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| 1. Dorn
2. Makinson/Monaghan
3. Shenton
4. Moon
5. Burges/Carney
6. Burns
7. Walsh/Smith
8. Peacock
9. Clarke
10. Hill
11. Millington/Bateman
12. Soliola/Farrel
13. Westerman/Sinfield
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| Saints are top of the table with 3 fixtures left, but I'm struggling to think of anyone that demands a position.
Probably Makinson with his acrobatic finishing is the only one that I'd say is more likely than not.
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61326_1313411800.jpg Friday 28th March, 2014, a day that will live in infamy...
[quote="Saddened!":fwnfr3rg]Whatever happens they have all been magnificent. Even Wello.[/quote:fwnfr3rg]
[quote="Saddened!":fwnfr3rg]Lance Hohaia can have my babies after that show[/quote:fwnfr3rg]
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| Quote: Offside Monkey "Saints are top of the table with 3 fixtures left, but I'm struggling to think of anyone that demands a position.
Probably Makinson with his acrobatic finishing is the only one that I'd say is more likely than not.'"
I'd say him and Sia both deserve a place in there, he has pretty much carried our forward pack at times this season and cant think of many better back rowers than him in SL
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "I mentioned tries combined with assists - creating tries is as important to spine players as scoring them - to which its 5
All the stats are important and dont think you can group them, metres made is the same, but Clark makes far more metres per carry (about 10 compared to Roby 5), tackles busts are also important as it means defending players have to do more work, if Clark played the full 80 like Roby then his tackle, metres etc would be miles ahead. Clark this season has been much better than Roby and deserves his place in the dream team, even the last couple of Saints fans agree.
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