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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Surely any money problems in a sport that struggles anyway is a problem.

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Quote: Money Mayweather "Leeds made a tidy profit after selling the cricket ground.'"


according to the article they made a 100k loss.

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The club made an operating loss of £324,945, largely due to the unexpected expense of £500k for the South Stand. The figure of £10,599,073 doesn't include the final installment of the sale of the cricket ground (those were on a previous year's accounts IIRC).

Overall, I can't imagine many clubs have increased their turnover by £760k in the past year.

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Quote: DemonUK "The majority of businesses are structured to operate at a profit or break even at worst.

Ask Gateshead what happens when the 'one' underwriting it decides enough is enough. What happens also if the underwriter drops dead tomorrow and their family no longer want to be involved in RL and the directors loans have to be returned.'"


lets kill KD asap!!!

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Quote: DemonUK "The sale of the cricket ground will reduce income next year will it not. The turnover is from the business as a whole and not just the rugby sides. If this is the case the rest of the business could just be masking the League side of things. I don't know enough about the Leeds operation to speculate any further on that one.
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Quote: Leyther_Matt "As long as you're relying on someone to underwrite the debt, there's a problem IMHO.'"


No there isn't. For tax purposes making a loss is better than making a huge profit.

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Quote: Wadski "No there isn't. For tax purposes making a loss is better than making a huge profit.'"


For business purposes making a profit is better than making a loss

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our fans moan a lot about our board

but in the context of the below (posted/collated by someone else on the Hull board) they are doing a good job!

Hull FC PROFIT £185,000

Bradford - Loss £17,000
Warrington - Loss £212,000
Cas - Loss £369,000
Saints - Loss £449,000
Rovers (2007) Loss £478,000
Wigan - Loss £592,000 (although debt they owed being written off of £1,175,000 gave them a net profit of £444,000)
Salford - Loss £832,000 (underwritten by Wilkinson)
Huddersfield - Loss £1,377,000 (underwritten by Ken Davy)
Harlequins - Loss £1,819,000 (underwritten by Lenegan and D Hughes)

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I think clubs should have an independent audit every year looking at their accounts.

Clubs that are losing money or taking on debt that is not for ground improvements or training/youth facilities should either be deducted points or have their cap lowered.

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Quote: Wadski "No there isn't. For tax purposes making a loss is better than making a huge profit.'"


Dear Mr Bank Manager,

Please extend our overdraft facility for the next 12 months. I'm delighted to say we've not had to pay any tax this year becuase we lost half a million pounds.

Kind regards

The Chairman

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Quote: Eric_Cartman_is_a_saint "I can really see at least one SL club going pop in the not too distant future. '"

Definitely can see one, though it's not politically correct to name which one

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Quote: Starbug "]

So what are they selling next year to make a profit ?'"


tickets, TV rights, merchandise, corporate hospitality that kind of thing

Leeds as a club operated at a profit last year if we discount the investment in the southstand which is a one off expenditure,

the rebuilding of the southstand will put the club into the red, though not by a great deal, which should leave the club then operating at a healthy profit

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Quote: MjM "The Rugby League business and income from running Headingley rugby ground and its corporate facilities is the ONLY business Leeds CF&A has had since it sold the cricket ground three years ago. Leeds RU are totally separate, and heavily loss making, entity.'"


i think it still retains some ownership of part of the cricket side of things, something to do with the bar/catering/corporate facilities

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Quote: SmokeyTA "tickets, TV rights, merchandise, corporate hospitality that kind of thing

Leeds as a club operated at a profit last year if we discount the investment in the southstand which is a one off expenditure,

the rebuilding of the southstand will put the club into the red, though not by a great deal, which should leave the club then operating at a healthy profit'"


About time too , when are they rebuilding the other 65 % of the ground ?

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Quote: SmokeyTA "i think it still retains some ownership of part of the cricket side of things, something to do with the bar/catering/corporate facilities'"
As far as ownership goes Leeds own the RL ground, Yorkshire the cricket ground & hotel and the bits in between are split one way or another.

I think Leeds manage the bulk of the complex, even the bits they don't own any more, as the corporate non game day side seems to be still done centrally (which makes logistical sense as it would be fairly futile for YCCC to have set up a separate department to deal with something that was already in place and highly succesful). Revenue presumably gets split on some defined formula based on who owns which bit, what the event was etc. A significant amount of Leeds post-match activity is in the cricket Long Bar for example. If there was a financial disincentive to use that facility this kind of stuff could probably be transferred to a Rhinos-owned bit of the ground (e.g. Lewis Jones suite in the Carnegie Stand for sake of argument) but thankfully they have obviously got an arrangement which doesn't nonsensically split the use of the complex in that way.

Leeds are lucky that they have corporate facilities to call on on game nights which make the every other club in the league look ridiculous in comparison but also that they have the local demand to fill those on Friday evenings and also be well used through the week. Well I say lucky - but it cost a hell of a lot to put that infrastructure in place and so the club has every right to reap the benefits of it now.

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