I know how much it is worth, because i know how much is paid for it. And thats how you find out how much things are worth, you look at how much people are willing to pay for it.

Or you can do what you are doing and assign a number in your head then complain people arent paying that much




thats lovely, but irrellevant,

In fact, every person on earth could watch it, if no one is willing to pay anything for the broadcast rights, the broadcast rights still arent worth anything

Your first two points indicate muddled thinking. The main reason wealthy backers put their money into clubs is because they are fans. They are fans who own the club. Maybe by fan owned you mean 'co operative' / commonly owned - a far narrower definition.

There are, of course, some, RL supporters who have a problem with wealthy people. That is why they resort to the pejorative phrase 'sugar daddy'. Poor things, how british sport must upset them. Good.

thats fine, and it is important the money is spent well

but on one hand people are arguing that its too prescriptive already, then this is a step further in the same direction

Nope there is no muddled thinking on my part. Only incomprehension on your part.

Maybe Huddersfield are a shining example of how a wealthy man can run a club for the benefit of the fans and the club and not for what he alone can get out of it. But i'm afraid he's in the minority.

Most wealthy backers, in my experience, are in it for their own benefit.

Richard Branson wasn't a fan of the broncos was he? soon scarpered when the going got tough.

Paul Caddick isn't a Fan of the rhinos, he is and always has been a rugby union man, but saw an opportunity when he bought into the leeds CF&A, and only serviced their debit rather than paying it off.

Maybe your wealthy backer isn't so up for it, specially after allegedly transferring the giants and towns shares in the SMC to a separate company that he may or may not own.

My own club, ended their professional life as nomads, when the wealthy backers got bored sold the ground to a shell company who then sold it on for houses. Some of these same people were involved when Hunslet sold parkside and became nomads.

Steven Vaughan who owned Widnes for a while is a shining example of been a fan of the club. Especially the way he's treating the Chester City Fans right now.

want me to keep going?

Fans owned clubs are the way forward, imo. That's clubs owned by the fans, run by the fans for the benefit of the fans. Following the Supporters Direct model, used in Rugby League by Ourselves and Hornets RL. With a board of directors, elected by the fans.



maybe they do have a problem with wealthy people. But my guess is that they are in the main fed up with their clubs been used as the play thing of the rich, to be discarded when they are fed up with it like a spoilt kid.

but look at football and the shenanigans there with the more than half the premiership clubs being owned by foreign nationals. Or check out [url=http://footballmanagement.wordpress.com/2009/10/14/supporters-trusts-v-benefactors/this post on Supporter Trusts Vs Benefactors[/url or check out [url=http://delicious.com/kevin.ryethis series of links[/url that show how well your wealthy benefactors are doing as fans of the clubs they own.

As i said in my post, come and have a go at running a club.

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I think it has to be prescriptive, to some extent other wise the money will be wasted. Well by wasted i mean paid to players and the like, as happened when the first sky deal came along. Instead of investing in the games future, it was frittered away on salaries and the like, IMO.

There needs to be more help for the clubs from the RFL, however it's done, i don't know. but the fact is there needs to be help for them.

If thats the case, would it not be better to maybe not give them any money, but instead spend the money on a centralised marketing and administration system? or have RFL youth coaches visiting and working with the clubs rather than giving them money to spend on coaches?

Like the suggestion I made about having 4/5 regional marketing managers each overseeing 4/5 clubs , each club to provide 1 person , giving a manager with a team working at each club one week per month , or each club 2 days a fortnight

These regional managers overseen by 1 general manager supplied directly from the RFL

All clubs could then have a team working for them on specific projects part of the time instead of probably one person working full time

The managers then along with the general manager liase with each other on what has worked at different clubs and what hasn't worked

Each club given a budget that the manager overseas , but it is only spent on ' marketing '

yes definitely. Like Starbug says in the post above. or rather the previous page.

Thing is Marto , How many posters on here after having read my idea will be thinking that by ' Marketing ' I mean raising corporate and sponsorship interest , when what I really mean is fans through the turnstyles

Quite simply the 1 st step should be to double the attendances in the Championships , which shouldn't be too hard considering how bad they currently are

Yeah i know.

the corparate £££ is good but bums on seats or through turn styles is the way to go.

No wonder the RFL don't like you

Don't know what you mean