It does show the promises from around 35 mins in and 4 years and still not achieved them

Shall we go back 4 years and see whether other clubs have achieved what they said as well?

Yes it's full evidence of the business plan upon which TWP were allowed to enter the Championships.

The application was made at a time when Nigel Wood was chasing an RLIF job so he was really stuck in terms of making a judgement on Toronto. If he said "no" even on the basis the plan was totally ridiculous then that would still make him look far from an Internationalist/expansionist. He was effectively ambushed and he conceded TWP's entry as guests.

TWP never once asked Superleague if they could enter that competition. The answer could easily have been NO so they never asked. What they did was check out the current agreement between the RFL and SL on league structures and note that guest clubs were allowed to enter Superleague if they won promotion to Superleague.

They promised home grown players via grid iron conversions but dropped that very quickly. I would not have minded that because they put in their team several USA/Canada players, and people like myself were pleased at that and hoping for more. But of course TWP were never about player development only about the wish of one man to own a professional Rugby League club wether in be in the RFL or IIRC in the NRL. On promotion to the Championship.....

They sacked their American players off

Now of course the application also said that they would get a paying TV deal to add to the pot here. The game gave them time for this but it never came. When challenged Perez said that he could get a massive NATV deal but Superleague had to have "at least 5-6 north american teams in it to provide the content for such an NATV deal

Given the state of the player pool and TWP's clear intention not to bother with development by sacking the NA players they had, 5-6 North American clubs could only enter Superleague at the expense of 5-6 clubs here. In short a Transatlantic League was impossible because such a set up would have lost us the SKY deal once we got down to only 8 English clubs.

The bottom line is we all crave expansion wether the casual speccy or visitor to this site, wether Martyn Sadler or Danny Lockwood, or Ian Lenegan and his colleagues........We all want to see a club bring us new professional players and new media money......but TWP failed to be that club...... and we should not go on pretending they are, and trolling away on websites like Silent H is doing or writing pieces in the RL press Editorials about how wonderful TWP are without a scrap of credible evidence.

In a few hours TWP may get their first win in SL - if so watch that be hailed as a great success for the expansion of RL in the Northern Hemisphere. And I thought we were an honest game Snowy. Thanks for your input.

Yes lets, it will make a change from going over the same argument again and again.

Well, don't you think that the argument that if Superleague goes Transatlantic by adding more NA and French clubs and removing several useless English clubs let's say...

Wigan
Catalans
Toronto
St.helens
Avignon
Ottawa
Leeds
New York
Warrington
Toulouse
Hull
Valencia

Rugby League in the Northern Hemisphere will start to thrive and take off big time?? You see Wayne there are many of us who are sick and tired of hearing this argument, moreso because it's not a factual argument, it's just a silly dream.

So free speech pal. If you and others want to keep telling me the future is Transatlantic why can't I and others tell you the future is I am afraid the M62.

You like the idea of censorship do you? Go on Totalrl.com and you can fantasise all you want without factual opposition....

by all means you you know the drill no good quoting without evidence

Donnyman you are pushing against an open door here, if the expansionists want a NA super League let them have one that includes the French and the North Americans and leave us to play in our own back yard as we have done for the last 100 years or so, my post wasn't aimed at you or others that agree with you but a sarcastic reply to those that want to argue for the sake of it without having anything of substance to argue with. having said that Toronto for the time being at least are in SL but hopefully time will prove you right.

Apologies, but this is the fourth year of this ridiculous nonsense about RL taking off around the globe. Even the BBC were at it....

[i"A Canadian & French side in the top flight of an otherwise English league is genuinely jaw-dropping, The game can no longer be passed off as that strange pastime that takes place in odd northern towns. Incredibly there is a feeling of resentment towards Toronto...Fans of some clubs fear their team could be pushed away from the table because of the newcomers. The sport should be hugely reassured that a businessman like David Argyle would be willing to plough millions of his own into RL, bringing new Canadian converts and driving up media attention to almost unprecedented levels."[/i

Notice how even Dave Woods wants to denegrate the game, and insult fans as being [i"fearful people from odd northern towns"[/i. Do we get a right of reply to that Woods? We pay our license fees that pay your wages just like "normal" people.

The thing here Wayne is that these people within the game whether BBC correspondents or RL press editors have the ability to send out messages to the public, and this last three plus years the message is Rugby league will die or at best survive as a small backwater sport unless it embraces the "Future" of international SL clubs and big name signings.

To Woods, Lockwood and Sadler I have seen the "future" at Headingley & Salford and Perpignan and all I can see is English players dressing up as French and Canadians, struggling to make any impact in the game, at clubs racking up big debts, who in desperation buy up controversial ageing ex-NRL mercenaries whose best days are literally years behind them.

Woods and several posters on here keep telling us we are dinosaurs? Well I certainly don't have a massive mouth and a tiny brain........

This is going to be interesting if they opt for using some of their players https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/br ... istration/

This is going to be interesting if they opt for using some of their players https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/br ... istration/