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| Quote: Mark_W "No don't change it now but certainly bring him on before the 76th minute'"
Aye, I would agree with that.
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| Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "Id like to give Kirk Yeaman a mention. I read a few comments that he was out of his depth last week but he had a great game last night. Hes probably not quite good enough for this level and who knows next week might be the last time he plays for his country if the likes of Watkins improve as we hope next year. However you wont find a more commited player anywhere than Yeaman.'"
If he could pass then he would be a much better centre. He really seems to struggle in this department and even on the rare occasions when he does try to pass he just looks so awkward and it generally seems to be forward.
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| Quote: Famous "If he could pass then he would be a much better centre. He really seems to struggle in this department and even on the rare occasions when he does try to pass he just looks so awkward and it generally seems to be forward.'"
But what other centre do we have who is better than him? Centres who can pass the ball are sadly a rare commodity in English RL these days...
He's also been solid in defence, especially last night, which is what we need against the aussies.
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| Quote: nw636 "But what other centre do we have who is better than him? Centres who can pass the ball are sadly a rare commodity in English RL these days...'"
There's 3 better, just all unavailable for various reasons and that is pretty much the only reason why Yeaman is in the squad.
Shenton & Bridge are good passers of the ball and Atkins is a pure athlete who is growing as an RL player at Warrington.
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| Quote: Gronk! "There's 3 better, just all unavailable for various reasons and that is pretty much the only reason why Yeaman is in the squad.
Shenton & Bridge are good passers of the ball and Atkins is a pure athlete who is growing as an RL player at Warrington.'"
Shenton has done nothing this season. Bridge I'd probably have in there, but I just don't rate Atkins that highly.
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| Quote: inside_man "Shenton has done nothing this season. Bridge I'd probably have in there, but I just don't rate Atkins that highly.'"
I'm not Atkins biggest fan but I'd have liked to have seen him in the side instead of Yeaman. I don't have anything against Yeaman he's a good solid player, and least he had the bottle to accept his call up but I just think Atkins is more threatening with the ball and is as good (or as bad in some cases) as Yeaman is in defense.
I really hope someone like Watkins, Hardaker, Charnley or Wheeler can stay injury free and really make a claim for the left centre spot next season. With Reed and Hall on the right a more attacking left centre to partner Briscoe on the left would really makes a force to be reckoned with.
Also, was Briscoe carrying a knock? He seemed quite slow towards the end of the game.
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| Quote: hull smallears "Nope, I think he is playing simply because he is in the NRL................and by the same logic we are benching the 8th best (IIRC) player in the NRL. Crazy. Sinfield to 13, Widdop to 6, would have been what I would have done.
Should we change it now though? Maybe not.'"
Its clear to me that I don't think Mcnamara quite knows what to do with Widdop. If he doesn't start the surely he should come on for Roby and Sinfield moves to 9. Maybe he's concerned that neither Sinfield's or Widdop's defense is strong enough up the middle.
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| Yeaman is solid but not brilliant at this level, hasn't let anyone down but is probably the weak link in the side tbh.
His defence has been good all tournament though, I always feel safe when the ball goes that way, and in attack I don't think Wilkin's helped him much either, constantly cutting back inside.
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| yeaman doesnt seem confident in passing to his winger, but equally he may feel that his winger is usually in no position to receive the ball which would make him a smart player. i think it doesnt help that a few times the ball is fed to that side sinfields pass selection was sometimes poor and i would essentially agree with those who describe yeaman as solid.
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| Quote: Charlie Sheen "I'm not Atkins biggest fan but I'd have liked to have seen him in the side instead of Yeaman. I don't have anything against Yeaman he's a good solid player, and least he had the bottle to accept his call up but I just think Atkins is more threatening with the ball and is as good (or as bad in some cases) as Yeaman is in defense.
I really hope someone like Watkins, Hardaker, Charnley or Wheeler can stay injury free and really make a claim for the left centre spot next season. With Reed and Hall on the right a more attacking left centre to partner Briscoe on the left would really makes a force to be reckoned with.
Also, was Briscoe carrying a knock? He seemed quite slow towards the end of the game.'"
I disagree. Atkins was absolutely embrassed by the Aussies when he played, Yeaman has always being solid for England. I agree that he is probably not good enough for International RL and wouldn't get a look into the NRL but his defence has always held up a lot more than Atkins. Also, you can't understimate the importance of established partnerships and understanding as Yeaman/Briscoe have. A lot of people say "Oh Atkin's defence had improved a shedload" to them I'd say a) It's probably a lot easier defending in the team Wire have now than previous b) SL has a low quality of centres at the moment, far inferior to the aussies.
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| Quote: Charlie Sheen "
Also, was Briscoe carrying a knock? He seemed quite slow towards the end of the game.'"
I wondered that myself. After his try he seemed to be limping a bit so maybe he had a bit of a niggle. He isnt lightning quick anyway but he normally moves alot faster than he did when he made the break.
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| Quote: Gronk! "There's 3 better, just all unavailable for various reasons and that is pretty much the only reason why Yeaman is in the squad.
Shenton & Bridge are good passers of the ball and Atkins is a pure athlete who is growing as an RL player at Warrington.'"
Shenton is massively overrated and, like others, I'm not sure about Atkins' defence. Bridge is a very good player and would certainly do a better job in attack than Yeaman (and as good a job in defence).
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| I thought that was one of our better performances if recent years. Controlled the game and were patient. Credit must go to the coach. Previous coaches have not been able to achieve that. Having said that, I'm not getting carried away as effectively this is a 3 match Test series - although in this case 2 v Oz and 1 v NZ. We often win one before getting thrashed in the final. However, Australia are still going backwards so there's always a chance we may sneak it!
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| Quote: Charlie Sheen "Its clear to me that I don't think Mcnamara quite knows what to do with Widdop. If he doesn't start the surely he should come on for Roby and Sinfield moves to 9. Maybe he's concerned that neither Sinfield's or Widdop's defense is strong enough up the middle.'"
That's generally what happens I think. If Widdop was playing 6 he'd be defending on the right side not up the middle. Sinfield is too small and doesn't have the work rate to be an international 13. Doesn't carry it up enough
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| Sinfield has been great - aside from his kicking in the final 20 metres.
The only player who has looked to be struggling at international level has, IMO, been Carvell.
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