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| Quote: The Curtism "To play devil's advocate (and run the risk of being called a union troll), all of the above was about preserving Union's amateur status. I think Union payed League the biggest compliment in 1995 when it went professional, realising that it would eventually lose all its best players to League unless it started paying up.'"
Rubbish! RL was the only sport they had a problem with, professional soccer player, no problem, professional golfer, no problem. Reality was RL was the ONLY sport they took this stand with, explain that one gutter.
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| Quote: Conorgiantsfan "If London have thousands of youth players, why aren't they going to games?'"
The same reason why loads of kids who play Rugby both code, soccer, cricket etc etc.
They can be bothered or have something better to do or no money.
My local non league footie team has teams of all ages both male and female. Must be about 5 of them that go and watch games.
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| Quote: JB Down Under "Rubbish! RL was the only sport they had a problem with, professional soccer player, no problem, professional golfer, no problem. Reality was RL was the ONLY sport they took this stand with, explain that one gutter.'"
Because RU was losing players to RL.
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| so you agree that they discriminated against RL players and clubs? Good, glad we got that sorted and you understand my disdain for the kick and clap brigade.
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| Quote: JB Down Under "so you agree that they discriminated against RL players and clubs? Good, glad we got that sorted and you understand my disdain for the kick and clap brigade.'"
Grow up JB
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| wake up Phipps
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| Quote: JB Down Under "Rubbish! RL was the only sport they had a problem with, professional soccer player, no problem, professional golfer, no problem. Reality was RL was the ONLY sport they took this stand with, explain that one gutter.'"
Correct.
In fact, rugby union had players who played both Union and soccer. They were never excommunicated from Union. If you tried to play with in the rebellion up north, you were done for. All very intricately documented.
The irony, the greatest of them all, is that a century later the very thing they despised and heaped on, they turned into. Scum, really.
On the one hand, Rugby as a game would be far more stronger today had it stayed intact. In fact up until the 1880s, rugby football was more popular than soccer. Not going professional basically consigned any future form of rugby code to be a bridesmaid to soccer, which had then started gaining some real momentum after it went professional.
On the other hand, we might not have rugby league today. Its a tough one to call!
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| Quote: JB Down Under "so you agree that they discriminated against RL players and clubs? Good, glad we got that sorted and you understand my disdain for the kick and clap brigade.'"
To be honest I've got more important things to worry about than the politics of entertainment.
Which is what all these sports are. Entertainment.
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| Quote: The Curtism "Which is what all these sports are. Entertainment.'"
Alas, some take it too seriously....it's akin to the 70's football hooligans ploughhing into each other the way JB, dally et all plough into anyone who dares comment on anything to do with league in a negative light, or commits the cardinal sin of actually saying anything positive about Union. Jesus, if you even use the letters A-F-L- in the same sentence they try to have you burned at the stake.
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London RL has failed to attract fans and therefore sponsors and revenue to the game at its highest level. The reasons for this are many, as are the excuses that get rolled out on a regular basis, but the bottom line is:
The RFL, whilst keen to keep a London Team in the league have contributed nothing to the development of the game in the South East. The community coaches, school visits, club assistance etc has purely come from the coffers of the London RL Franchise. These people have a massive area to cover and I believe that 2011 is the first year that any financial assistance has been offered by the RFL to "spread the game".
The RFL, whilst responsible for the marketing and promotion of the game, have actually only ever become involved in the marketing of 1 game at the stoop, prior to 2011. This was the WCC Warm up game v Manly and you can take it from me, whilst they made a profit from it, they learnt exactly how hard it is to get the media involved...even if you are paying them. TNT Magazine made more money from this game than anyone else..........that is the magnitude of the issues faced in the south east.
2011 is the year that the RFL are getting involved.......when they should have been doing so since 1996.
This month, the RFL and the evening Standard, in conjunction with the club have offered 2,500 free pairs of tickets to the Castleford game. I suspect, 1,000 or maybe 1,200 of these pairs will have been taken up. If any so called heartland team repeated this offer in their local paper, I suspect the 2,500 would be gone in 1 hr. The reason Quins will undersubscribe? It has nothing to do with League....it has more to do with what else is available in entertainment in London on Friday night, the recession (costs to get there, drinks etc) and the fact that only 15% of the standards readership will live within 5 miles of the ground.
I don't know if London RL will remain at the stoop or if it will ever get the investment, either from the RFL/SKY/Private sources to ever attract 10,000 gates that it needs to be self sufficient, but I do know (well, I am 90% sure) that without London RL in Superleague, the game becomes less attractive to advertisers......because like it or not, the Capital City is always key when they are putting their budgets together......and the people they pay for advertising are the same ones that pay the other clubs 12 million each a year, without which, your Willie Masons, Michael Maguires and other "overseas" stars would be off the menu and with the exception of 3 or 4 clubs, the rest would go back to being part time.......as a result, Union would strip the best players and RL in the UK would be worse off than it was in 1993 within 5 years.....IMO that is.
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| I heard the RU were going to do a raid on the Stoop and strip Quins RL of all their best players.
But they haven't got any.
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| Quote: PHIPPS "I heard the RU were going to do a raid on the Stoop and strip Quins RL of all their best players.
But they haven't got any.'"
Subtle PHIPPS.......you'll never catch anything unless you are going to try and be subtle
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| Quote: aspouea "The same reason they ain't around the M62. We're told this is the heartland of the sport. Therefore surely there are more kids playing across that vast expanse of the country than would fill the 11 SL stadia - and yet you still get empty seats at all of them!
Get a grip for christ's sake.
I'm actually a defender of London RL, but the 'Thousand's of Players' excuse can't be backed up, and for your information, I used to (and still do) play RL at an Amatuer Level, I see hundred of girls and boys that used to play RL with me. The Giants turned up at my Gaelic Football session to advertise, I saw all of the 25 people at the club there. But really, why don't we give free tickets to those thousands who play RL?
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| Quote: gutterfax "Alas, some take it too seriously....it's akin to the 70's football hooligans ploughhing into each other the way JB, dally et all plough into anyone who dares comment on anything to do with league in a negative light, or commits the cardinal sin of actually saying anything positive about Union. Jesus, if you even use the letters A-F-L- in the same sentence they try to have you burned at the stake.
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London RL has failed to attract fans and therefore sponsors and revenue to the game at its highest level. The reasons for this are many, as are the excuses that get rolled out on a regular basis, but the bottom line iswhen they should have been doing so since 1996.
This month, the RFL and the evening Standard, in conjunction with the club have offered 2,500 free pairs of tickets to the Castleford game. I suspect, 1,000 or maybe 1,200 of these pairs will have been taken up. If any so called heartland team repeated this offer in their local paper, I suspect the 2,500 would be gone in 1 hr. The reason Quins will undersubscribe? It has nothing to do with League....it has more to do with what else is available in entertainment in London on Friday night, the recession (costs to get there, drinks etc) and the fact that only 15% of the standards readership will live within 5 miles of the ground.
I don't know if London RL will remain at the stoop or if it will ever get the investment, either from the RFL/SKY/Private sources to ever attract 10,000 gates that it needs to be self sufficient, but I do know (well, I am 90% sure) that without London RL in Superleague, the game becomes less attractive to advertisers......because like it or not, the Capital City is always key when they are putting their budgets together......and the people they pay for advertising are the same ones that pay the other clubs 12 million each a year, without which, your Willie Masons, Michael Maguires and other "overseas" stars would be off the menu and with the exception of 3 or 4 clubs, the rest would go back to being part time.......as a result, Union would strip the best players and RL in the UK would be worse off than it was in 1993 within 5 years.....IMO that is.'"
The RFL HAVE been involved since 1996 my friend, they've been helping the Experiment every year with oodles and oodles of cash (much more then the Clubs in SL).
IMO the RFL should just admit defeat - no matter how many millions of schoolkids play RL down there it's just never going to equate to increased crowds. Like many have said before GF (we, me ) we all had to play different sports at school but that didn't lead to us following these sports by going to games, this is the problem for Fulcrubronquins.
Also have to say that I've always disagreed with Experiment getting high profile games like the Manly match, after doing nothing to justify having such an honour, whereas clubs that contribute to SL miss out on the opportunity to host a world-class side like this, very unfair IMO.
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| Quote: Roofs "The RFL HAVE been involved since 1996 my friend, they've been helping the Experiment every year with oodles and oodles of cash (much more then the Clubs in SL).
Care to produce evidence?
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