Wanna bet ?

A club will move up to SL from THE championship for 2012 , yes it could be Toulouse ? , but it wont , It will be Widnes , and they do not have to be better than any club IN SL to do so

Quote: HULL KINGSTON ROVERS RLFC "Once again we are facing renewed rumour and speculation regarding our finances. All we have asked for is fair, balanced and accurate reporting. Unfortunately we continue to face unfair scrutiny motivated by a clear anti- Hull KR agenda that has persisted for more than 12 months despite our continuing best efforts to repeatedly and transparently answer any questions raised of us. Pending legal proceedings by the club through their solicitors prevent us from commenting specifically on very recent local coverage. We have made losses year on year which have been our decision to incur to get the club to where it is now. Less than 4 years ago we were National league also-rans. Super League status has required investment which we as a board have been prepared to underwrite. In that regard we are in the same position as many of our Super League rivals except we have started from a much lower base. Previous press statements made by the Chairman remain a fair, balanced and honest appraisal of the clubs financial position which you our supporters expect and deserve.'" www.hullkr.co.uk/article.php?id=660

Quote: HULL KINGSTON ROVERS RLFC "Once again we are facing renewed rumour and speculation regarding our finances. All we have asked for is fair, balanced and accurate reporting. Unfortunately we continue to face unfair scrutiny motivated by a clear anti- Hull KR agenda that has persisted for more than 12 months despite our continuing best efforts to repeatedly and transparently answer any questions raised of us. Pending legal proceedings by the club through their solicitors prevent us from commenting specifically on very recent local coverage. We have made losses year on year which have been our decision to incur to get the club to where it is now. Less than 4 years ago we were National league also-rans. Super League status has required investment which we as a board have been prepared to underwrite. In that regard we are in the same position as many of our Super League rivals except we have started from a much lower base. Previous press statements made by the Chairman remain a fair, balanced and honest appraisal of the clubs financial position which you our supporters expect and deserve.'" www.hullkr.co.uk/article.php?id=660

i would agree that widnes are currently the biggest club outside SL however to say they are a better club than any club currently in SL is very difficult.

if promoted any team coming up from the championship can expect to either struggle to be competitive as celtic and salford have or spend a huge amount of money on players

this money has to come from somewhere, otherwise the competition will be diluted further due to a lack of competitive teams

i am sure no one associated with any non SL club would want to risk the clubs existence just to be in SL

there is more to rugby league than superleague

Can't disagree with any of that.

Do you live in some red and white jay induced haze? You have net liabilities of £3mill, with another £450k loss already announced for last season by your Chairman. You apparently have £1.5 mil in assets to offset these liabilities, but what assets do you have? You don't own the stadium, so can't claim that as an asset, no much how much you spend on it to get it up to the standard required, so what assets do hull Kr have worth that value?

the RFL have made better stadiums part of the criteria for a reason

better ground means more people will come and watch

originally hudds were going nowhere so the move to the new stadium didnt see an initial massive increase in gates.

but it certainly has played a big part in where they are today and their future

if hudds were playing at their old ground theyd be exactly the same as wakey, with limited crowd potential of 6000 - 8000

any heartland club with 10 million pounds in sky money thrown at it will show some progress.

i think the 10 million wouldve been better spent elsewhere

ill stick with attritbuting it mainly to new grounds
im guessing you are a fan of club with a s**t ground.

wigan had higher crowds when they were coming last than saints coming first. the ground plays a big part in both those situations.

its quickly becomming the rule in SL that the club without grounds that help them are starting to fall behind and the ones with new grounds are rising to the top

play in a ground which needs a lot of maintenance and you will fall behind, even bradford have shown it.

Are you aware what a dump Hull KRs ground is?

the ground is improving.

and ive been to the ground, albeit not at a game

300,000 + pounds spent on improvements sounds good to me, with more to follow.

As the saying goes "You can't polish a turd".

Your comprehension skills are faulty.

The facts are in the public domain. The threat of legal action from KR appears to be based on the headline of the HDM piece in question apparently suggesting that the situation described in the 2008 accounts is [iexactly the same[/i as the situation now. It will be interesting to see how that stands up in court - if it ever gets that far.

You owed £3.16m at the end of FY 2008. You lost another £450k in FY 2009. These are indisputable facts. Offsetting assets against the amount owed is only useful if you can liquidate those assets, and even then you fall £1.5m short. The £1m from pass sales is operating income for FY 2010 and will have zero effect on your debt position unless you make a profit over the whole FY. As your chairman has stated that you need a 10k average gate just to break even, this seems unlikely.

Any way you want to look at it, the situation is far from ideal - as admitted by your chairman on a number of occasions.

Stick with what you like. I am glad you accept that your initial figures re gates were nonense. I am a long time Giants fan so I know plenty about our attendances. You may want to cal the Galpharm a poor ground, I disagree.

Your lack of understanding of gates and your need to pretend it is mainly down to grounds alone is duly noted. Wrong but duly noted.