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| Quote: SmokeyTA "icon_lol.gif
you're are probably the most unintentionally hilarious person i have ever coversed with ![]()
See you're lying again to cover up your endless gaffs.
Note the expression "I suspect" - that is the key. I have no way of knowing if this reserve grade Samoan International will be a success anymore than I knew whether the Paul brothers would. What is sad is that neither do you but your sheer arrogance and pomposity leads me to believe you think you do. What you can't seem to accept is that a no name can become a big name and a big name can become a nobody overnight. Would you like me to list the Leeds players who have fallen into this catagory.
Willie Poching is a classic example - a dozen games for a one season stop gap club Hunter Mariners. Had it not been for the SL war he would have played no more than a handful of NRL games. He came to the UK joining Hunslet then being picked up by Wakey at the age of 24 I believe. Now where did he go after that and how many of that cubs players did he rob of a chance. Poching was every bit a reserve grade player when he came to SL, would you care to dismiss him as a player who gave a lot to SL?
In terms of playing pedigree the younger Winestien has a better history, Easts and the Bulldogs with 5 appearances and an Aussie Schoolboy player to boot. He has been released by the Bulldogs to ease their cap, they were by all accounts only willing to release him to SL and not another NRL club - what does that suggest?
As for Ferguson, no one has said he is the best young player in the world or the UK. The fact that you assume he is a decent player just shows how fake your opinions are. You see no one at Wakefield has seen enough of him in SL to make such a claim so how you manage it beggers belief. He is a prospect and the original point way back was not how good he was or wasn't but how we as Wakey fans should push his case like Cas fans push Westermans. Of course this is lost to you in your blind desperation to have a poke at him.
As for not being the best in his position, pray tell, what do you think his normal position is?
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "im arguing that that is the case, and criticising them for taking the easy route to the detriment of the sustainability of the league as a whole
it should be tough cookies, Wakefield have shown that without severe penalties, they wont look to youngsters, or brits, this is their 11th overseas player for the year, they have to do better
well thats more than most of your fans who seem happy to watch a team of antipodeans but why is it next season? which is you're twelfth in SL, it seems a pretty arbitrary point at which to start demanding they cut down on overseas players! why not this season, or last?'"
and if you do, how would you counter the argument that Wakefield simply arent a sustainable SL entity?
My point refers to the above.
Where you question the sustainability of Wakefield.
Just out of interest,why is the amount of Antipodeans detrimental to the sustainability of the league as a whole??
I can see it is a problem for the national team,but not for the league as a whole. |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "no, a british coach shouldnt have been sacked to make way,
but that isnt what happened, a british coach was sacked because his results werent good enough, and out of the people who applied Nathan Brown was the best
Both our british coaches, and our british players are improved by being coached by quality coaches like brown and Mclennan and anderson
and the analogue isnt Wakefield bringin in a top quality player, its bringing in a reserve grade player, would it be acceptable for Hudds to sack Sharp to bring in someone like John Dixon? no'"
Roughly half the England squad were coached by McClennan and Anderson at club level and coached by an Antipodean at national level,i didnt see any sign of improvement at the world cup. |
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| Quote: vastman "I'm more than happy with it as this kind of player only exists in NZ and the South Sea islands which is why so many play in the NRL.
I'm getting the feeling you're getting a bit jealous and fear we may have bagged a good one, and a young one. How insecure of you.
Still you have SmokeyTA backing you up so with credible support like that you have some solace. ![]()
Are you getting that feeling? fascinating.
A discusion on Wakey resorting to signing NRL reserve graders and you need to tell other people how you feel they feel. This sums up your rugby knowledge. While you are at it why not tell us what you feel Winterstein is feeling - it's all you are good for. 
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| Quote: Marsdengiant "Are you getting that feeling? fascinating.
A discusion on Wakey resorting to signing NRL reserve graders and you need to tell other people how you feel they feel. This sums up your rugby knowledge. While you are at it why not tell us what you feel Winterstein is feeling - it's all you are good for. ![]()
Come on Mardengiant.....dont ignore the question!!
Here it is again, just incase you missed it!
So let me get this right!
Wakey signed Korky as a NRL reject! You would/did no doubt slag off the signing........he plays 4 years in SL.......gets worse year on year......the giants then sign him, but you see nothing wrong with that??
Is that correct??
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| Quote: Marsdengiant "Are you getting that feeling? fascinating.
A discusion on Wakey resorting to signing NRL reserve graders and you need to tell other people how you feel they feel. This sums up your rugby knowledge. While you are at it why not tell us what you feel Winterstein is feeling - it's all you are good for. ![]()
Alot warmer than us.
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| Quote: SimonBarrett "So let me get this right!
Wakey signed Korky as a NRL reject! You would/did no doubt slag off the signing........he plays 4 years in SL.......gets worse year on year......the giants then sign him, but you see nothing wrong with that??
Is that correct??'"
i am happy to help you get things right.
The Giants signed Korki who has several SL first grade seasons under his belt. If he was a reserve grade player in 08 I would be appalled if the Giants signed him for 09
I think a club 1 or 2 years into SL needs some latitude because of the limitations of available players in the short term. So Cas/HKR/Celtics have rightly had some latitude re overseas numbers.
I think a club with a decade of continuous SL time should not have around double figures for 'overseas' players. Nor should they be resorting to signing a reserver grade NRL player.
It appears this viewpoint is problematic for quite a few wakey posters. HTH |
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| Quote: Marsdengiant "i am happy to help you get things right.
The Giants signed Korki who has several SL first grade seasons under his belt. If he was a reserve grade player in 08 I would be appalled if the Giants signed him for 09
I think a club 1 or 2 years into SL needs some latitude because of the limitations of available players in the short term. So Cas/HKR/Celtics have rightly had some latitude re overseas numbers.
I think a club with a decade of continuous SL time should not have around double figures for 'overseas' players. Nor should they be resorting to signing a reserver grade NRL player.
It appears this viewpoint is problematic for quite a few wakey posters. HTH'"
So you are happy to sign a NRL reserve grader that has actually failed to perform in SL with any degree of regularity or success and is potentially keeping a local kid out of the squad....is that right? |
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| Quote: Marsdengiant "Are you getting that feeling? fascinating.
A discusion on Wakey resorting to signing NRL reserve graders and you need to tell other people how you feel they feel. This sums up your rugby knowledge. While you are at it why not tell us what you feel Winterstein is feeling - it's all you are good for. ![]()
As an aside........why have you not started a thread about Hull's new signing?? One Sam Moa??
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| Quote: desmond decker "www.news.com.au/couriermail/sport/nrl/player/0,26753,109892-126,00.html
dont see a song n dance about this player go start another 13 page debate or is it just because its wakefield ![]()
Sorry Des, beat you to it!!!
l wait with baited breath............but deep down l already know what the response will be!!!
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| Quote: SimonBarrett "So you are happy to sign a NRL reserve grader that has actually failed to perform in SL with any degree of regularity or success and is potentially keeping a local kid out of the squad....is that right?'"
I have explained things clearly.
I do not share your view on Korki. He has played many first grade games prior to joining the Giants. His stats are sound and he will do a job for us.
You support a team with a very large proportion of non UK players who are now signing NRL reserve grade players after 10 years in SL. If you think that is acceptable and shows progress, so be it.
I disagree.
Its not enough that certain wakey fans accept or support what their club is doing. they also cannot bear it if some people take a different view. They will have to learn to live with it. |
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| Quote: Marsdengiant "I have explained things clearly.
I do not share your view on Korki. He has played many first grade games prior to joining the Giants. His stats are sound and he will do a job for us.
You support a team with a very large proportion of non UK players who are now signing NRL reserve grade players after 10 years in SL. If you think that is acceptable and shows progress, so be it.
I disagree.
Its not enough that certain wakey fans accept or support what their club is doing. they also cannot bear it if some people take a different view. They will have to learn to live with it.'"
Take some of your own advise! |
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| Quote: SimonBarrett "Come on Mardengiant.....dont ignore the question!!
Here it is again, just incase you missed it!
So let me get this right!
Wakey signed Korky as a NRL reject! You would/did no doubt slag off the signing........he plays 4 years in SL.......gets worse year on year......the giants then sign him, but you see nothing wrong with that??
Is that correct??'"
It won't answer your question because it can't. It never had a reasoned point in the first place and now your logic has tripped the troll up all it can do is spit and hiss. |
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