Spot on. If you concede 36 points you are not up to standard whichever way you look at it. I can udestand the "glass half full" mentality but so many people on here think we can feed the 5,000 from a leftover pie.

How true. I was thinking exactly this last year, when Aus put 34 on NZ, a week before NZ beat them in their own back yard in the Final. That's the sort of substandard you need.

We could have beaten Australia...but in the moments that matter, we didn't deliver. Australia didn't bully us or look miles better....just were far more clinical when it mattered. Yes, they had a few loose carries and pulled some stunts - high shots and slowing the game down in the tackle...but at the end of the day we lost.

I think we only have one beating of Australia in us each year (if that) so beating them on Saturday wouldn't have been a change in power. I think if we can play with that confidence again and with a fully fit pack on the field then we can beat them.....I for one hope that one win comes in 2 weeks in the final. No one will remember Wembley if that happens.

NZ are strong, but we can and must beat them.

Again, no reason we can't win the 4N's people...just need to deliver where it matters for 2 weeks running from now onwards.

excellent post!!!!

Ben Westwood conceding 4 penalties and missing a tackle on the try line, they scored
Kirk Yeaman being out of position, they scored
Tom Briscoe letting the ball bounce from every up & under, England put under pressure
Kevin Sinfield not paying attention leading to 3 knock ons, they scored
Jamie Peacock not paying attention leading to a knock on, they scored
Heighington gets run over by Williams, they score
Ellis, Graham & Peacock getting injured, England lose all go forward and lose
3 sets on the Aussie line, no composure by anyone on the team, no points from it

Instead of singling one player out, why not show a bit of balance? Chase has been far from the worst player so far, and has had to do the job of 2 halfbacks because Sinfield has been too slow, not paying attention and generally not been effective.



And how do you get that? So far Widdop has done nothing in the game time he's got and when he plays for Melbourne they don't trust him to do much either, everything goes through Slater, Smith & Cronk first.

Cas Fan in "I love Chase" Shocker.

You criticising other players (often wrongly), does not in anyway detract from the fact that Chase cost England the chance of winning that game.

Without Chase's errors, those other players wouldn't even have been defending!

Take off your mucky yellow tinted glasses.

Erm....so Chase missing touch from the tap 20 giving Australia the ball inside their half and scoring from long range is Rangi Chase's fault? Not all 13 players on the pitch for not being good enough to stop a team scoring from 70 metres out.

The 2 on 1 ball steal was a loose carry so should have been a knock on, scrum to England, the pass at the end resulted in an interception from the England player not even looking (for the 6th time in the game).

It's all well and good blaming 1 player in a team game, well done you're making 1 player the scapegoat because he isn't "English" ever since he was picked this whole forum has looked bigoted with the appalling attitude towards not just Chase being picked but Heighington and for some bizarre reason Jack Reed too...and people wonder why nobody takes the game seriously with "fans" like you

if sinfield had of kicked all his goals and briscoes try been correctly give.......its 6 POINT GAME