ther was three penalties inparticular that wer completely unessarsary.

Sinfield doesn't offer anything like enough threat at halfback. It's a complete waste of one of three attacking positions. We've got Tomkins right in one, and I thought Chase showed in the first 20 minutes that he was a genuine threat, but Sinfield needs to go back into the forwards if he plays at all, where his lack of pace is less exposed, and Widdop or Maguire at 6.

It didn't come off though, did it and the Ozzies scored from the next set. It was a very risky play in a massive game and if you're going to take those risks you need to have the skills to back it up. Chase doesn't.

Well seems he did it on a regular basis for Cas, he does have the skills to do it - and is it his fault Wilkin watched as Heighington got put on his backside with minimal effort? Terrible defending by England in that set.

Not going to argue with the defending, as someone mentioned on another thread, Heighington isn't producing anything that young ENGLISH back-rower couldn't do.

Chase looked good in attack, but he made 3 mistakes that were all avoidable. The 20m kick, as you said if it had have come off would have been a hero, but it wasn't anywhere near the the touchline and completely the wrong time to do it.

Sinfield din't do bad i thought.

Not a response to anyone but IMO
Chase had a bit of fancy footwork in first 20 if you all think that constitutes a good game?!!?
Westwood is a penalty machine always has been always will be...
The ref is a touchie in NRL and refs in third tier over there NSW cup. England wanted him after last week can't start moaning now!!

Rangi made mistakes....unfortunately for him it led to Australian tries, but i wouldn't say he was the worst player on the field.

Bottom line is we can try different half back combinations but they won't be as good as Lockyer & Thurston, who nobody in an England shirt closed down all game

I thought Sinfield was really poor today. Really don't understand how he is our number 6, when he hasn't played there all season! The only time he's impressed for England, was when he was sub hooker in 2009, so put him there next week and that should be his final chance. Wilkin needs to go too, nowhere near good enough.

I'd go: 1 Tomkins 6 Widdop 7 McGuire 9 Roby 14 Sinfield

Sinfield at hooker or loose but WTF would you even contemplate mcguire?

Who else is in the squad though?

Apart from widdup for Sinfield (who had a good game but was clearly to slow for the next stages of the comp) Why would you change what we had tonight.

i thought chase had a good game, at leat you thought something was going to happen when he had the ball. Sinfield he organises the leeds side around the park, he always has whether from loose forward or 6, however he doesn't seem to be able to do it at the international stage.

Westwood was a penalty machine yeterday, i would use him from the bench as i think he would be a good impact player at international level. hopefully carvell can come in for wilkin as we need another prop and the other 16 players are carrying wilikn.

Sionfield would be a liability in the forwards against the Aussie or Kiwi pack, who would you drop Heighington, westwood or Eliis all 3 of them are tackling machines.

You cannot drop Sinfield either as with no Sinfield there is no Kicking game. Neither Reed or McGuire can overcome that deficiency.

Yet again the England coach and selectors get it wrong and that is why we are in the crap.

Chase 7, Widdop 6 has to be the combination for England for the next 5+ years! Sinfield was poor today, bombed a try and generally slow in his thinking and his passing. He is not close to being a Int class no6, never has been, never will be.