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Quote: Starbug "This is the post that started this particular argument '"
no it wasnt
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So we are comparing one club [ that was letting hundreds of people in free ] that had been in existence for 3 years with a whole area of France that has had pro RL clubs for decades'"
no, i quite clearly compared one french club, to one welsh club,

Quote: Starbug "The south of France was ripe for a full time SL club , it was just a matter of where to put it , in the end they plumped for a merger of 2 clubs to increase the chances of success , but nonetheless this area has been producing International class RL players for 60/70 years '"
no they didnt,

Quote: Starbug "Then on the other hand we have a town in South Wales where if you asked the locals at the time they either didn't even know a pro RL club existed in the town or were veheremently against it

Very similar
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Quote: Hedgehog King "AFAIK they have applied in the past to join the NFP and played in the Alliance League.'"


I think Hemel want nothing more than to become semi-pro. But theyve been struggling to raise the funds to build a stand for years.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "which is why it is ridiculous to describe the south of france as a heartland, and lump it in with the heartlands of the UK.

It may well be the french heartland, but from an RL point of view it was clearly an expansion area.'"


you are clearly ignorant of the french RL set-up - you should either do some homework on the subject or refrain from making yourself look silly IMO merci et Bonne Année icon_cheers.gif

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Quote: Tre Cool "I think Hemel want nothing more than to become semi-pro. But theyve been struggling to raise the funds to build a stand for years.'"


You'd hope that the RFL would want to help something like this.

Then you remember that it's the RFL.

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Quote: Urmston Wire "You'd hope that the RFL would want to help something like this.

Then you remember that it's the RFL.'"


Depends on what Hemel are planning. A "proper" cantilevered 1000 seat stand is around £1 million and that would pay for a lot of RFL development officers. Those 100-200 seat stands that are 10 deep rows of seats on a concrete base are less than £50K from places like Arena Sports.

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Quote: Tre Cool "I think Hemel want nothing more than to become semi-pro. But theyve been struggling to raise the funds to build a stand for years.'"


I thought it was a mere planning permission issue (which has now been resolved).

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Quote: SmokeyTA "no it wasnt
no, i quite clearly compared one french club, to one welsh club,

no they didnt,

so you think i was saying the south of france was in the same position as wales? ah thats probably how you confused yourself'"


yes it was

I stated ' area ' ie the area that UTC is in , and the area Celtic Crusaders were in , but compare Perpignon to Bridgend if you want

So you are suggesting that the clubs around perpignon have never produced any International players ?

Either way you are completely wrong and showing yourself up again

Try to confuse all you want , but you aren't fooling anybody

The original area mentioned was ' north calatonia ' , I would suggest that is the south of France

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Quote: Hedgehog King "Indeed they did but they were Fulham in those days and a very different outfit from the London RLFC who IIRC finished second bottom in the second division in 1994.'"


For someone so demanding of acuracy in others you might be interested to know that they actually finished third and reached the 2nd division Premiership final that year. Still, never mind, don't let facts etc

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Quote: Sarf Essex Taff "For someone so demanding of acuracy in others you might be interested to know that they actually finished third and reached the 2nd division Premiership final that year. Still, never mind, don't let facts etc'"


Somebody got out of bed on the wrong side. First day back at work?

Anyway I checked London were fourth not third.

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Quote: Hedgehog King "Somebody got out of bed on the wrong side. First day back at work?

Anyway I checked London were fourth not third.'"


Actually they were 4th in 1994-5.

And yes it is easy to get irritable when people keep knocking certain clubs with "facts" that are either urban myths or made up.

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Quote: Starbug "yes it was
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no it wasnt. read back you will see
Quote: Starbug "I stated ' area ' ie the area that UTC is in , and the area Celtic Crusaders were in , but compare Perpignon to Bridgend if you want '"
YOU did. I didnt. YOU may wish to change the comparison to the South of France v Wales if you want. It doesnt alter

Quote: Starbug "So you are suggesting that the clubs around perpignon have never produced any International players ?

Either way you are completely wrong and showing yourself up again'"

No, im suggesting there has been very few international class french players from the time between about 1990-2005
Quote: Starbug "Try to confuse all you want , but you aren't fooling anybody

The original area mentioned was ' north calatonia ' , I would suggest that is the south of France'"
That is nice, but once again, i didnt compare the south of france to wales. I simply said that France isnt a heartland of our game. It used to be, various factors meant it was left behind and became, sadly a small outpost with few players and few fans. I then compared 2 clubs to highlight the growth that was needed. And to explain how France was an expansion area, rewritten as a heartland because it suits. Everyone sees through the attempts to rewrite history and why it is done. To separate the success of Les Catalans as an expansion club and any other expansion club.

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I would like SL to expand NFL style. Two conferences. Two leagues of 10, with the top four from each going on to contest in the finals series. A Magic Weekend where the conferences clash against each other for points. IE 1st East vs 1st West and so on. A shorter season and a mid-summer break for internationals.

SL West and London

Wigan, St Helens, Warrington, Barrow, Widnes, Crusaders, Catalans, Leigh, Harlequins, Huddersfield

SL East

Leeds, Bradford, Castleford, Wakefield, Hull FC, Hull KR, Toulouse, Halifax, South Wales Scorpions, York

Long-term, it'd be brilliant to see some Irish representation in ESL, a side from Belfast and / or Dublin. As well as a team in Paris. Further representation in places such as Gateshead, London, West Country and the Midlands would be fantastic too. That's a long way away, if it were ever to happen.

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Quote: richardviking "I would like SL to expand NFL style. Two conferences. Two leagues of 10, with the top four from each going on to contest in the finals series. A Magic Weekend where the conferences clash against each other for points. IE 1st East vs 1st West and so on. A shorter season and a mid-summer break for internationals.

SL West and London

Wigan, St Helens, Warrington, Barrow, Widnes, Crusaders, Catalans, Leigh, Harlequins, Huddersfield
SL East

Leeds, Bradford, Castleford, Wakefield, Hull FC, Hull KR, Toulouse, Halifax, South Wales Scorpions, York

Long-term, it'd be brilliant to see some Irish representation in ESL, a side from Belfast and / or Dublin. As well as a team in Paris. Further representation in places such as Gateshead, London, West Country and the Midlands would be fantastic too. That's a long way away, if it were ever to happen.'"


How's that Geography course going?

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Quote: richardviking "
SL West and London

Wigan, St Helens, Warrington, Barrow, Widnes, Crusaders, Catalans, Leigh, Harlequins, Huddersfield

SL East

Leeds, Bradford, Castleford, Wakefield, Hull FC, Hull KR, Toulouse, Halifax, South Wales Scorpions, York
'"

What a terrible idea
and how is South Wales in the east?

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The game could expand the game into Cheshire! Sorry it did do in 1972 when they moved the county boundary north to included the South Lancs towns of Warrington & Widnes.

Whatever happen to Birkenhead, Runcorn, Stockport.

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