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| Quote: bren2k "I think it's two-fold; some of it is sour grapes - in that the same people saying they are glad their best players aren't involved would be lauding their inclusion were it to have happened.
Secondly, I think lots of people have lost interest in England RL because we've had years of crap coaching, strange selections and failure to perform - and now we have an Aussie coach who seems to be doing the job against his will, and can't summon up an ounce of enthusiasm for the media or supporters to latch onto.'"
That's how I see it .I also agree with the poster comparing it with national football side. Brown's inclusion is the strangest for me and the continued non selection of Houghton.Im not his or his teams biggest fan but what he's done over his career particularly last couple of season he deserves a chance at the top level.Ok Roby had a decent second half of season but he's way past his peak and Clark didn't do much of note in an under performing Wire.it is what it is and I will watch in hope
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| wonder if they will go with ratchfor instead of lomax at full back, hopefully they will
think brown is just back up for widdop and gale in the halves
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| Quote: brearley84 "wonder if they will go with ratchfor instead of lomax at full back, hopefully they will
think brown is just back up for widdop and gale in the halves'"
Surely Sneyd would just be as capable? Brown has never been a big game player which seems to be a crucial factor in international selection and at 33 probably will never be.
On a side note, are Wales and Scotaustralialand participating this year?
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| Quote: Willzay "Surely Sneyd would just be as capable? Brown has never been a big game player which seems to be a crucial factor in international selection and at 33 probably will never be.
On a side note, are Wales and Scotaustralialand participating this year?'"
Yes, both squads have been announced.
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| Quote: bren2k " I think lots of people have lost interest in England RL because we've had years of crap coaching, strange selections and failure to perform - and now we have an Aussie coach who seems to be doing the job against his will, and can't summon up an ounce of enthusiasm for the media or supporters to latch onto.'"
Do you have any evidence to back this up? The 2016 Four Nations has the highest ever overall attendance for a Four Nations in this country, it doesn’t seem like people are losing interest to me.
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| Quote: Willzay "Surely Sneyd would just be as capable? Brown has never been a big game player which seems to be a crucial factor in international selection and at 33 probably will never be.
On a side note, are Wales and Scotaustralialand participating this year?'"
but sneyd isnt in the squad and hasnt been training with the elite squad either so brown will be ahead of him... also having worked with the coach and played too for England
dont forget the impressive result down under against samoa when england won 30-10... surely bennett has to show some loyalty to the group that got the job do very well that day
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| Its ridiculous to suggest Bennett doesn't care. He helped NZ win the World Cup and put his hand up for England because he cares passionately about the international game. He's not doing it for money or kudos.
With Bennett comes credibility in Oz, but also the reality that he hates giving interviews. Most of the time when talking about the Broncos he looks bored rigid and like he doesn't care if they win or lose.
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| I think having the Elite squad at this moment in time is pretty daft. It means that there is little chance of the players who go to 3 or 4 meet ups during the season getting removed from the squad in favour or a more in form player, but who may not have had any International experience. We don't play enough Internationals for it to be a 'closed shop' so to speak
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| Quote: vastman "I'd prefer not to see thug Wane anywhere near the England team or even SL if possible. Terrible suggestion.'"
Aside from the thug comment (0 red cards and low-ish penalties this year), I wouldn't want him as head coach because he lacks tactical nous. Worse than that, he doesn't seem to realise it. He tends to get teams up for big games though, and we have tended to defend pretty well under him. Wouldn't mind him in as defensive coach, or some sort of motivation role. If they made him head coach, he would just do it his way rather than make use of any talented assistants around him.
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| Quote: Grimmy "Aside from the thug comment (0 red cards and low-ish penalties this year), I wouldn't want him as head coach because he lacks tactical nous. Worse than that, he doesn't seem to realise it. He tends to get teams up for big games though, and we have tended to defend pretty well under him. Wouldn't mind him in as defensive coach, or some sort of motivation role. If they made him head coach, he would just do it his way rather than make use of any talented assistants around him.'"
Would agree with that. I think Wane's passion would make him a very good assistant coach for England.
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| Looks like a first choice 13 in the warm-up match.
Interesting that Bateman is at right centre.
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| Quote: Wigg'n "Looks like a first choice 13 in the warm-up match.
Interesting that Bateman is at right centre.'"
Oh dear. I am not saying Bateman isn't capable, but he isn't the 2nd best centre we have
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| Quote: Wilde 3 "Oh dear. I am not saying Bateman isn't capable, but he isn't the 2nd best centre we have'"
Seems like a very negative option to me, as though we are more bothered about what they will do than what we will do. Unless Bennett is saying to himself "Percival has one centre spot, let's see the other two battle it out for the second spot"
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| Quote: Wilde 3 "Oh dear. I am not saying Bateman isn't capable, but he isn't the 2nd best centre we have'"
I agree. England never seem to learn NOT to select players out of position. If Bennet is concerned about defensive capabilities of his centres then Shenton is an automatic pick as he's a great defender. He may not be the most brilliant attacking centre but, then, neither is the second-row forward known as Batemen.
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| Quote: Grimmy "Seems like a very negative option to me, as though we are more bothered about what they will do than what we will do. Unless Bennett is saying to himself "Percival has one centre spot, let's see the other two battle it out for the second spot"'"
Did you mean Watkins?
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