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| I wouldnt put any hurdles in the way, you get a decent business plan and youre in, pick a conference haah
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| Quote: Dreamer "In the format you have shown, two of the conferences look most attractive and would garner the lions share of deals.'"
Yeah balance is a bit of an issue but that can easily be sorted by just swapping a couple of teams, when I did it last night the first groups were just on the basis of ah local teams and derbies then the balance didn't end up being right - swapping Fev & Leeds round for an example evens out the East a fair bit.
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| Quote: Dreamer "I don't agree. SL2 would not be the championship under another name, it would have more funding, more TV exposure therefore the potential for more sponsorship and likely have half a dozen full time players. It would be halfway house between the full time elite division and the part time championship.'" No, as someone else said, it would be a 'tarted up' Championship. Castleford, Widnes, Wakefield and London (assuming they are the clubs that would miss out on the 10 team SL) are all at roughly the size where they could operate either at Championship or SL level without looking out of place. If they were demoted, they wouldn't be big enough to provide enough of a boost to the other, inferior teams that would make up the league, and over time their standards would slip so that they would effectively settle at a similar level to the current top Championship clubs. The point is that clubs like Featherstone and Leigh aren't ever going to be big enough to compete at any sort of elite level. Of the current Championship clubs, Sheffield look like they might have the business strategies and potential for growth to potentially make a fist of it in a hypothetical SL2, and possibly Halifax and somewhere like Barrow might also be able to improve the required amount to allow them to compete at a similar level to the likes of Cas now. Apart from them, I can't see any Championship clubs that would be anywhere near good enough to be in any sort of 'Super League' by any definition. If clubs like Leigh or Featherstone were competitive in such a league, it would almost certainly be through a lowering of the overall standards rather than through those clubs raising them.
Your model also assumes that Sky would be interested in providing funding and coverage of the 'SL2', when the reality is that they would almost certainly treat it like they did with the Championship when they had the rights. Effectively we would just be relegating four current SL sides.
Quote: Dreamer "How will we ever achieve 20 full time teams under the current system?'" By adding teams to Super League when they are ready. I never said it would be a quick or easy process, but it's better than attempting quick-fixes and putting structures in place to try and allow substandard teams to artificially compete. Like I said earlier, the crux of this problem is that virtually none of the existing Championship clubs have the potential to improve enough to compete in Super League. It's tough on the fans who might not want to believe this, but that's just the way it is. If we introduce any sort of system to try and allow these clubs to compete, then we will inevitably be lowering standards rather than raising them.
Quote: Dreamer "Exemption is not a new idea, it was used under the pre-franchise system also. I mention it only because the pro-franchise lobby seem to hold it as being an essential requirement
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| Quote: headhunter "
. Like I said earlier, the crux of this problem is that virtually none of the existing Championship clubs have the potential to improve enough to compete in Super League. It's tough on the fans who might not want to believe this, but that's just the way it is..'"
What potential are these clubs missing?
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| The potential to be an SL club
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "The potential to be an SL club'"
And what potential do you need, to be a SL club?
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| Quote: a.n Other "And what potential do you need, to be a SL club?'"
You need the potential to be an SL club. There are many facets to this and you would hope they are getting ever harder to meet as that would mean SL was improving
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "You need the potential to be an SL club. There are many facets to this and you would hope they are getting ever harder to meet as that would mean SL was improving'"
Such as?
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| Quote: a.n Other "Such as?'"
Sound financial footing. (Bradford)
Top notch stadium (Castleford, Wakefield)
Big crowds (London, Salford)
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| Quote: littlerich "Sound financial footing. (Bradford)
Top notch stadium (Castleford, Wakefield)
Big crowds (London, Salford)'"
You mean like Halifax's top notch stadium and big crowds?
Seriously, because of 1 new stand why do people think that The Shay is good?
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| Quote: Gronk! "You mean like Halifax's top notch stadium and big crowds?
Actually 3 new stands since 1998 and also an old one converted to all seater.
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| Quote: Gronk! "You mean like Halifax's top notch stadium and big crowds?
I don't. Halifax should be nowhere near SL.
Neither should about 4 SL clubs.
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| Quote: littlerich "I don't. Halifax should be nowhere near SL.
Neither should about 4 SL clubs.'"
I agree
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| Quote: Gronk! "You mean like Halifax's top notch stadium and big crowds?
Some people think it's OK. SL club Huddersfield played there last year. Castleford even borrowed our kit because of their SL professionalism.
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| Quote: littlerich "Some people think it's OK. SL club Huddersfield played there last year. Castleford even borrowed our kit because of their SL professionalism.'"
The kit directive Cas had showed that Cas were supposed to wear white and they didn't receive the updated list (nor did the RFL website for that matter until a week later).
Quote: littlerich "Neither should about 4 SL clubs.'"
I'd say 2 at most, 1 if Bradford don't end up in admin.
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