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| In an interview with Sky's Vic Wakeling in the history of the first ten years of SL he said that a London club was a condition of the agreement although it isn't now - the inclusion of a French club wasn't (Sky subscription channels weren't officially available there) and neither was summer rugby although we'd have got less money. As far as the Crusaders are concerned, they are doing what Fulham did in their first season and so a comparison with Quins isn't really valid.
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| Quote Kelvin's Ferret="Kelvin's Ferret"
The only games we’re likely to win are those against weaker sides and they’re not entertaining, we play boring RL, and have done for some time. Dropping down to the Championship would not be helpful because we almost certainly couldn’t sustain the things we are good at which are development related.
=#FF0000If you can only beat the weaker teams then maybe dropping down would help. Like in any sport a team that is up against much stronger opposition will need to adopt a safety first approach and often a backs to the wall defensive effort in order to avoid (or attempt to avoid) being heavily beaten. In a competition where this has to happen more often than not then training will focus on this and play will shift to use those methods even when not wholly necessary. This means a boring style prevails as they try to punch above their weight. Being at a lower level would allow Quins to dominate rather than be dominated and could allow for the use of more expansive play. Talk of expansion in recent years has focused all too readily on the Super League and gaining exposure. However now the Championship is also getting live coverage from the same broadcaster so not being in SL does not mean not getting exposure. Keighley, Batley and Dewsbury off the top if my head are all live on TV in the next few weeks. If dropping down allows the club to survive and does not exclude them from being on TV it is surely acceptable. Being in the second tier does not mean that young kids will not be able to play at junior level so devlopment can still occur.
There was an obvious desire to get London represented, just as there is a desire to raise RL’s national profile, something that is necessary if RL is to be anything other than a marginal sport going backwards. But it may not even come down to relegation; I can’t see how the club can continue existing without investment.
=#FF0000If it is a choice between stepping down a level and being able to sustain some presence or of vainly trying to keep going at a level you can't afford to compete at and then disappearing altogether and undoing the good work your existence has brought about, then surely the club would take the first option?
Conspiracy nuts aside, Quins have never received any more funding than any other SL club despite the glaring difficulties of being an alien sport in one of the most expensive cities in the world. Melbourne are successful because they got the investment needed, we’ve never had anything comparable, now it’s probably true that the RFL/Sky are not prepared to make that kind of investment, but even if they were the parochial element would scream the house down. Think about the conspiracy nut fantasies that already exist about Quins and imagine what they’d be like if Sky/RFL actually did make a Melbourne Storm type investment?
=#FF0000By having been funded I was meaning from owners such as Virgin Group, Ian Lenegan etc not the RFL or SKY. Most if not all clubs have been bailed out or given funding by the RFL during the sport's history so in that respect they are all in the same boat. If no potential owner sees you as a good option after 15 years in SL then why should you continue to drag along at the wrong end of the table in the vain hope that someone suddenly will. All clubs get money from the tv rights etc. If your club (or any other) is barring entry to a club that could make a better go of a licence then they should go down and allow that club to use that money.
Quins sit at the centre of development in London I doubt that could be continued if Quins were to drop down, we’ve used 8 players in the first team this season who came through the development programme. Skolars also get the benefit of dual registration and former academy players. Besides I don’t realistically see how any other London SL club could emerge without the same funding that Quins RL currently lack.'"
=#FF0000As I said already being in the second tier still allows for exposure on TV and doesn't mean that development has to stop. Clubs in the Championship can still produce young players, Widnes are a prime example. Although dual registration would not apply there is nothing to stop young players being loaned to Skolars, the only real difference would be that you couldn't recall them in the first month (a teenager's salary should not affect the cap too much at that level). Although there is no real chance of another London club emerging now that is not what I was saying. With a sustainable Skolars and a sustainable Quins (at a lower level than SL) the presence could be maintained for long enough for the young kids now playing in London to start playing for those clubs. With such a strong foundation in place then in another 10, 15, 20 years there may be the right things in place for a London club in SL whether that be Quins stepping up or a new club coming through with either one having access to the funds needed and backed by someone who has seen and wants to build on what has been achieved by then.
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| If Quins do go then the rah rah's will laugh their socks off. The majority of Union fans at Quins are decent people its the sorry shower across the road that hold sway locally the club has to beat.
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| Quote littlerich="littlerich"I wouldn't be so sure. And as for Wrexham - let's not pop the champers just yet. It's a new fad at the moment and as great as it is let's not proclaim it as a success to loudly yet lest we look complete twonks - at least lets have a season to evaluate. If they're averaging 7-8 thou come September then bloody great but three home games out of 12 is it? Let the magic sink in first before marching onto Plymouth and Windsor.'"
6000 last night with no away fans
thats brilliant
the soccer fans have taken to them like a duck to water
its what we need in london
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug":CRAZY:'"
fulham did it.
if you dont know about fulham, just google it
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| fulham being promoted into premier league was the problem
then they didnt need a RL team
a soccer team with little prospect of promotion is the ideal one
one whose fans will jump on board like wrexham have
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| I would offer every London Football club season ticket supporter the opportunity of a season ticket at a silly price. May or may not work but the press in London would give it publicity.
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| Quote windy one 2010="windy one 2010"I would offer every London Football club season ticket supporter the opportunity of a season ticket at a silly price. '"
And kill your club off completely?
Once your average Arsenal, Spurs or Chelsea soccer fan has been to watch Harlequins once do you HONESTLY think they will come back?
Maybe if you were selling out the ground every week and actually winning a game now and then .. MAYBE, just MAYBE you might entice some soccer fans along.
Maybe if there was some atmosphere at the ground... maybe.
Harlequins RL's life support machine is getting closer and closer to being switched off every time they play a game down 'The Moon'
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| Quote dally messenger="dally messenger"fulham being promoted into premier league was the problem
then they didnt need a RL team
a soccer team with little prospect of promotion is the ideal one
one whose fans will jump on board like wrexham have'"
I think your singling out football fans ignores the proximity of the RL heartland to Wrexham. I think that is very significant to the initial success of the Crusaders.
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| It is, but its not quite as close as you think.
From Warrington (closest SL club) I can get to Huddersfield in yorkshire almost as fast as Wrexham, yes its a nice easy drive but it's certainly expansion.
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|  They are improving a lot, last two games have been much closer, they will start winning a few games as the crocks get back into the team.
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