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| TBH I don't see what the fuss is about not being able to stand, the seat gives you a guaranteed amount of space (ok some grounds are worse than others but still), you can also get your 'spot' with a seat more often than not particularly if you're a season ticket holder.
Standing is not much cop for kids, especially so if it's packed and IMHO I still think it isn't ideal from a safety POV. Sure if they're standing at the front but then they are at such a low level it's hard for them to see everything as you're already that much further away from the action at the ends.
I loved standing BITD and when I started going on my own to the Boulevard at the age of 9 I'd stand right at the front on a bit of wall pretty much right next to the speedway gates. I went into threpenny a few times when I was older but it wasn't ideal unless you stood near the front from a viewing POV.
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| Quote: Mild mannered Janitor "For RL in this country, something shaped in a similar way to the Keepmoat but with one of the side stands (west side) slightly bigger. Capacity of 20k. One end fully standing, one side (west) fully seated. The opposite side to have seats at the back and a decent sized terrace paddock at the front. The other end would be a mix of seats and standing for visiting fans.
Massive car park close by, 6 pubs within a half mile radius.'" Apart from the car park you've just described the New Headingley
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| I know Hull KR's stadium might not be the best, but the East Stand has to be the most atmospheric in the English game.
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| Quote: Dave K. "The only problem with the KC is the size for rugby (And football currently).
The best thing about the ground is the location, close to loads of pubs etc.'"
Still think all seating affects the atmosphere, ideally for RL there should be some standing, must admit though when your lot boo the ref it can be deafening
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| Quote: barham red "Still think all seating affects the atmosphere, ideally for RL there should be some standing, must admit though when your lot boo the ref it can be deafening
Well spotted. With some of the garbage refs we've had this year, we've had lots of practice.
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| Quote: barham red "Still think all seating affects the atmosphere, ideally for RL there should be some standing, must admit though when your lot boo the ref it can be deafening
Probably, a ground like Doncaster's but with some standing would be perfect.
Maybe then other clubs to create the perfect atmosphere like at Rovers, where they is no booing and no fans ever leave before the end
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| Quote: robinrovers10 "I know Hull KR's stadium might not be the best, but the East Stand has to be the most atmospheric in the English game.'"
An inevitable consequence of poor personal hygiene en masse.
Concrete standing and a tin roof amplify sound but really there is far more than that to make a good stadium.
What suits me is an unobstructed view that provides some cover from the elements and is built to be close to the field. Obviously grounds shared with football clubs tend to be bigger and have better facilities but there are some good smaller grounds as well and a full up stadium looks better than a half empty large one. One style doesn't suit all but keep the fundamentals and you won't go far wrong. Rather like a decent ref, you can concentrate on the game and not notice a good stadium seat (or stand).
Anyway I also think Doncaster is a good template for an RL ground, you could I suppose build up the sides to increase capacity. I also think Leigh have a decent ground suitable for the smaller clubs. If Widnes didn't have that godawful pitch then its quite good there as well. Older designs have had their time. I enjoyed them back in the 70s & 80s but really we have moved on since then.
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "TBH I don't see what the fuss is about not being able to stand, the seat gives you a guaranteed amount of space (ok some grounds are worse than others but still), you can also get your 'spot' with a seat more often than not particularly if you're a season ticket holder.
Standing is not much cop for kids, especially so if it's packed and IMHO I still think it isn't ideal from a safety POV. Sure if they're standing at the front but then they are at such a low level it's hard for them to see everything as you're already that much further away from the action at the ends.
I loved standing BITD and when I started going on my own to the Boulevard at the age of 9 I'd stand right at the front on a bit of wall pretty much right next to the speedway gates. I went into threpenny a few times when I was older but it wasn't ideal unless you stood near the front from a viewing POV.'"
Sometimes that's the issue.
Because you're guaranteed a space, you can't move elsewhere into the atmosphere. You can't congregate. If you're stuck in a boring area, unless there are enough seats to move there's not a thing you can do about it. That's why terraces always tend to have a better atmosphere than an all seater stand.
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| Location is so important, look at Salford. Parking, transport links, local amenities (pubs etc), doesn't take 3 months to get away from.
A mix of terracing and seating is good, as it gives people a choice. I prefer the way Leeds are doing it with the Southstand with terracing below and seating above.
Bowls over four separate stands.
Baby changing facilities
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| Whats up with a field with white barriers on one side, some farmers trailers at one end to sit on, a temp stand for 200 at the other and a bar, gym and 200 seats as a main stand.
That's what you are getting if the Broncos come up. Stacks of viewing variety to support everyone's needs.
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| Quote: Exiled down south "Whats up with a field with white barriers on one side, some farmers trailers at one end to sit on, a temp stand for 200 at the other and a bar, gym and 200 seats as a main stand.
That's what you are getting if the Broncos come up. Stacks of viewing variety to support everyone's needs.'"
In fairness, they put on a cracking BBQ when Leeds were there last year.
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| Location is the most important thing. Salford is geographically the closest Super League ground to where I live, but it's far quicker for me to get to and from a home game at Wires because the ground is so close to the train station while it takes ages on the bus from central Manchester to Salford's ground. Huddersfield away is more convenient than Salford away and it's about three times further away. At least the Willows was on the tram route. Leigh hasn't got a train station so they should be excluded from Super League on those grounds alone.
Any ground is fine as long as it's not all seater or doesn't put the away end in a seated section and then charge over the odds on the grounds that you're paying extra for a seat whether you want to sit on it or not. Again, Leigh and their £25 away tickets lose out here. Basically relegate Leigh and insist Salford move into FC United's ground.
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| I don't understand how anyone can say a ground with restricted views due to stanchions, and one end that is crumbling and roofless child possibly be even thought of as the best design for a stadium!
When Leeds made the Carnegie Stand, they did have knocked down the Western Terrace and moved the whole pitch to. They could have had a big board there are a screen, then make the Carnegie stand bigger and house away fans in part of there.
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