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Think the answer to the question is NO!



but if the question was can Brown end the leeds/ St Helens domination... then the answer is POSSIBLY!

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Quote: J. Willard Gibbs "While I think the Wigan period of dominance was not good for the sport, I see no reason to blame them for simply being very, very successful.

They put together some fabulous sides, and fair play to them.'"


By buying up everyone, regardless of if they wanted to actually play them?

I do not deny Wigan were a good product to watch, but had it been allowed to continue then the game would have suffered, Warrington are finding that they can only "buy" limited success, likewsie Hull KR bet the farm on playoff glory and it's backfired.

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I dont see the big deal about Wigan this year, so far they have signed Deacon who has been terrible for the last couple of years, I saw Chris Thorman outplay him last year FFS.

They also start the season with their best forward IMO, Hock.

Ok they have a young highly rated coach, but he hasnt proved himself or coach at 1st grade yet.

The youngsters have another year, but so do other teams young players.

I think they will be about the same position as last year, as IMO they start the season with a weaker squad and other teams have (on paper) signed well.

I fancy Warrington to finish 2nd this year, they have a great coach and squad.

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Catalan will be the biggest challengers this season. Warrington will also do well. I've stopped predicting Saints' downfall as the ast two seasons theyve stemmed the flow and been there or there abouts.

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Quote: Standee "they have realised that they can't buy trophies anymore, which is payback for murdering the game for the thick end of ten years.'"


lol do you mean the period it dragged RL out of the dark ages?

Maybe if some other clubs around that time had half of the ambition Wigan showed we wouldn't be so far behind RU?

Still nice 2 see the bitterness is still around almost 15 years later.

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Quote: thepriestman85 "Maybe if some other clubs around that time had half of the ambition Wigan showed we wouldn't be so far behind RU?'"


If all the other clubs around that time had shown the "ambition" Wigan showed (without a local football team to rent a stadium from when they had to sell their own when their "ambition" left them penniless) we probably wouldn't have pro RL.

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Or maybe we should follow the path set down by Saints?? Massive debts and a run down ground? What about the successful Bradford sides effect on the current set up? Success will always catch you up but it’s funny how people don’t mention Bradford’s or Saints time at the top as bad for the game???

At the end of the day people on here come on and claim what Wigan did was bad for RL when in reality it was the best thing to ever happen to the game. I can’t see how a lack of competition is deemed to be Wigan’s fault? Were we supposed to wait for the rest of RL to realise things needed to change? Should the likes of Monie or Lowe not have implemented their ground breaking practices due to the other coaches not being as technically good as them?

I agree that by the end Wigan’s vision to be the best was morphed into something different amd it ultimately led to a massive fall but I still think the success it was bad thing nor at the start was the way they went about achieving it. A few bad decisions caused a hell of a lot of problems i.e the Boston stand going over budget and the excessive way we recruited players i.e. did we really need the likes of Offiah or Paul when we could have had cheaper alternatives who would still have maintained our success?

The success Wigan had could easily have been maintained without half the problems we saw.

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I would take issue with the original poster's comment that Wigan promise so much every year in terms of winning SL. Wigan have been very average for a number of seasons now, and the only surprise is that they have done as well as they have, given their pretty ordinary playing roster. I don't see them making the top four this year.

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Quote: thepriestman85 "lol do you mean the period it dragged RL out of the dark ages?

Maybe if some other clubs around that time had half of the ambition Wigan showed we wouldn't be so far behind RU?

Still nice 2 see the bitterness is still around almost 15 years later.'"


Oh, Im not bitter, Wigan have done sod all since buying trophies was no longer an option.

Hell, they can't even pick a captain anymore, the day Andrew Johns and Sean Long chose Warrington and Hull respectively tells me Wigan are a past giant.

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Quote: Standee "Oh, Im not bitter, Wigan have done sod all since buying trophies was no longer an option.

Hell, they can't even pick a captain anymore, the day Andrew Johns and Sean Long chose Warrington and Hull respectively tells me Wigan are a past giant.'"


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This is a poor thread but that comment is priceless.

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Quote: dally messenger "both clubs could easily add 5000 to last seasons crowds if things go right on the park.'"


I think Warrington would struggle to add 5,000 to their average crowd, seeing as their average last year was 9,221 and their ground only holds 13,024.

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We've already told him Wellsy icon_wink.gif
We're planning an upgrade to 18,000 in the near future anyway so he COULD have a point..a few years down the line

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Quote: thepriestman85 "Or maybe we should follow the path set down by Saints?? Massive debts and a run down ground? What about the successful Bradford sides effect on the current set up? Success will always catch you up but it’s funny how people don’t mention Bradford’s or Saints time at the top as bad for the game???

At the end of the day people on here come on and claim what Wigan did was bad for RL when in reality it was the best thing to ever happen to the game. I can’t see how a lack of competition is deemed to be Wigan’s fault? Were we supposed to wait for the rest of RL to realise things needed to change? Should the likes of Monie or Lowe not have implemented their ground breaking practices due to the other coaches not being as technically good as them?

I agree that by the end Wigan’s vision to be the best was morphed into something different amd it ultimately led to a massive fall but I still think the success it was bad thing nor at the start was the way they went about achieving it. A few bad decisions caused a hell of a lot of problems i.e the Boston stand going over budget and the excessive way we recruited players i.e. did we really need the likes of Offiah or Paul when we could have had cheaper alternatives who would still have maintained our success?

The success Wigan had could easily have been maintained without half the problems we saw.'"


This has been covered so many times it's hardly worth raising again, but if you simply can't recognise the harm Wigan did to the game in that period, whilst effectivley going bust twice themselves, then you are simply in denial.

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Quote: Dave "

I fancy Warrington to finish 2nd this year, they have a great coach and squad.'"



Yes of course they will.

In line with that.

The Cougars will win the Championship and Challange Cup and England will wallop the Aussies 60-0 in the 4 nations final. icon_cheers.gif

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I suppose you can dream about stopping the Leeds and Saints dominance of super league but you can’t be realistic about it. Saints were missing the Sean Long factor over the last three years and now thankfully have it in the most exciting prospect in this country Kyle Eastmond who has been unfortunate with injuries and Sean Long in his way. I’ll let a better qualified saints fan big up the rest of that team.

Leeds on the other hand are pretty much unstoppable champions when it counts in the grand finals. We have the fantastic mix of international class and club produced talent. Warrington don’t have any overseas players that even compare to Danny Buderus and Gregg Eastwood. Wigan have one in Tommy and Catalan have a few but the French simply can’t play rugby league YET.

Bulls were starting to look good at the end of next season but their best player has left them. Got someone exciting in Matt Orford (one of my favourite players) who can’t hold the whole team. If it was Orford and Burgess in the Bulls team then I would laugh like I’m doing right now.

Wigan have Sam Tomkins and Tommy as a good partnership but its not as good as Robbie Burrow and Danny McGuire who are the 6 and 7 perfect super league partnership. I couldn’t care less if they’ve had a few bad international seasons these two are still the best you can get.

Three in a row is the answer to any critics and they isn’t an end in sight yet!

We should have been champions in 2005 and 2006 but Bradford and Saints cheated salary cap wise so we didn’t have much chances. Leeds Rhinos are the Usain Bolt of Rugby League and the only way you can beat us is by cheating!

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