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Quote: Bull Mania "Well the decisions being made (not that i think it will massively improve things with fixture fatigue still being an issue from loop fixtures) time to move forward as a sport now.

All eyes on the SL clubs and Robert Elstone now. Lets see where the sport is in 3 years time. Can't blame anyone else or hide behind anything like they did with the stovart deal or voting the 8s in in the first place.'"



Given that their business plan for growing the game consists of bullying lower league clubs into voting for less cash. I’d suggest sky will be ing themselves.

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I can understand the thinking moving away from the 8's, but is the best we can come up with? Loop fixtures? what a load of baloney.

What an ideal time to go to 14 teams, it didn't have to be toulouse & toronto - but the top 6 from the middle 8's move up. If that becomes London then so be it, or all 3 with widnes dropping out.

This in essence will kill the championship competetion, and if we have teams ready to take the next step up we won't have have the foresight to increase the league size. Greed, incompetence or a mixture of both really have ensured we have the 12 teams at the top table and not much changing year on year. We needed to be bold, look to grow the game and our audience. Poor decision to stay at 12 imo

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Quote: mean_machine "I can understand the thinking moving away from the 8's, but is the best we can come up with? Loop fixtures? what a load of baloney.

What an ideal time to go to 14 teams, it didn't have to be toulouse & toronto - but the top 6 from the middle 8's move up. If that becomes London then so be it, or all 3 with widnes dropping out.

This in essence will kill the championship competetion, and if we have teams ready to take the next step up we won't have have the foresight to increase the league size. Greed, incompetence or a mixture of both really have ensured we have the 12 teams at the top table and not much changing year on year. We needed to be bold, look to grow the game and our audience. Poor decision to stay at 12 imo'"


Very well said eusa_clap.gif eusa_clap.gif

The reluctance to go to 14 clubs perhaps just shows that, despite the hype and rhetoric, how little interest there is from Sky to include Toronto and Toulouse in SL.
The sad thing is that Toronto will get there anyway, assuming that their backers dont get cold feet and/or run out of money.

Perhaps some of their cheer leaders can explain why their inclusion isnt worthy of re negotiating the current TV deal.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Very well said Said similar earlier but no so eloquently as i was in outrage mode. perfect chance to increase to 14 and have straight home away fixtures with a very viable competitive championship pushing for promotion.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Very well said
There arent enough full time clubs that arent a whisker away from going bust to form a 14 league team thats why. Whats the point in forming a 14 league team when a number of those teams will probably go bust within a couple of years

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Quote: the artist "sorry for late reply - thanks to Grimmy for stepping into the breach. Yes its a little routine these type of forums use to build links into the thread - part of the language if you will. You can just post the url direct but once upon a time it was frowned upon on here.

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In the distant past these boards were full of interesting and funny (and a lot of dull and unfunny) posts using such codes'"


Thanks for that,much appreciated. icon_thumb.gif

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14 team franchised league with a requirement to have reserves, youth tied into community clubs, decent ground..........

P&R is bust and boom. If we must have it protect the promoted side for 12 months to allow them to build.

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does anyone know, or would like to hazard a guess as to how the last 6 fixtures of the regular season will be decided - last years finishing positions? local derbies to improves attendances? random draw?. will these all be decided before the season kicks off? a system where the last few fixtures are arrived on halfway through the season has proved to be detrimental to fans - aka the super 8s.

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Quote: wire-quin "14 team franchised league with a requirement to have reserves, youth tied into community clubs, decent ground..........

P&R is bust and boom. If we must have it protect the promoted side for 12 months to allow them to build.'"



That i agree with.

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So, it's all been 'sorted out'. Not for some it isn't.
What about marketing, profile, youth development, reserve grades, a coherent international strategy, future finances, future tv deals - in fact any thing that improves the future of the game at all.

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Quote: the artist "does anyone know, or would like to hazard a guess as to how the last 6 fixtures of the regular season will be decided - last years finishing positions? local derbies to improves attendances? random draw?. will these all be decided before the season kicks off? a system where the last few fixtures are arrived on halfway through the season has proved to be detrimental to fans - aka the super 8s.'"

I'd hope odds vs evens based on previous years' finishing position, so that, in theory, you get a fairly balanced fixture list. Probably not though

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Quote: terrykelly "So, it's all been 'sorted out'. Not for some it isn't.
What about marketing, profile, youth development, reserve grades, a coherent international strategy, future finances, future tv deals - in fact any thing that improves the future of the game at all.'"


Tbf, Elstone has indicated that this means the pressure is now on him and SL to deliver.

We’ve avoided a catastrophic rupture... for now. Which is nice. Hopefully we’ll start to see progress on all the things you mention, now the threat of self-immolation has receded.

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Quote: mean_machine "I can understand the thinking moving away from the 8's, but is the best we can come up with? Loop fixtures? what a load of baloney.

What an ideal time to go to 14 teams, it didn't have to be toulouse & toronto - but the top 6 from the middle 8's move up. If that becomes London then so be it, or all 3 with widnes dropping out.

This in essence will kill the championship competetion, and if we have teams ready to take the next step up we won't have have the foresight to increase the league size. Greed, incompetence or a mixture of both really have ensured we have the 12 teams at the top table and not much changing year on year. We needed to be bold, look to grow the game and our audience. Poor decision to stay at 12 imo'"


The middle 8's is over half-way through it's current life cycle, and to go to 14 teams now (without an MPG) would mean ripping apart the conditions on which the 8 teams started the competition. It's Ok going to 14 teams, but not 3 matches from the end of the season.

14 in SL is fine, but we need to plan for it, and the incumbent clubs need to accept and prepare for the reduced income that comes from that.

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Quote: mean_machine "I can understand the thinking moving away from the 8's, but is the best we can come up with? Loop fixtures? what a load of baloney.

What an ideal time to go to 14 teams, it didn't have to be toulouse & toronto - but the top 6 from the middle 8's move up. If that becomes London then so be it, or all 3 with widnes dropping out.

This in essence will kill the championship competetion, and if we have teams ready to take the next step up we won't have have the foresight to increase the league size. Greed, incompetence or a mixture of both really have ensured we have the 12 teams at the top table and not much changing year on year. We needed to be bold, look to grow the game and our audience. Poor decision to stay at 12 imo'"


How many times does it need spelling out? The SL clubs cannot afford to take the cut in funding (of £264k pa) for the next 2 years that would result from increasing to 14 - quite a few would be going 'pop'

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