If thats what you heard its time you started listening to people who know what they are talking about , similarily with the ' community ' angle , leigh have a 4 strong full time community dept , we go into all the schools in the Leigh , atherton ,tyldesley area , many in hindley and golborne , also we have been going into schools in bolton for several years , how do i know this ?

I funded it

You are totally clueless my friend

You've told me before.
However it hasn't been remotely successful has it.
Warrington have been successful.
See the difference here?
This is why when you talk about reliance on Sky money I say this is why we need it which is what I said earlier.
RL would survive without Sky money, but to blame clubs for spending it as and where they need is silly.

simple question dico what have warrington won since 1971?.my feeling is weve won as much if not more than warrington and thats not counting second divisions leagues and cups

mate rugby league does survive without sky money its super league that cant survive without it

We've had our issues don't get me wrong.
But look at where the two clubs' next 30 years lie and...well...
Never been out of the top flight and sure as hell don't look like we're going anywhere soon.

As Richie from faxy said earlier, of course SL would survive. It would strip costs accordingly and Warrington, Wigan, Saints and Widnes would still all be bigger than Leigh. As my post above said, why on earth wouldn't you spend the money on getting people through the gates if it's there.

And there you have the difference between Championship and SL RL , put wire in the championship with all their community work and it wouldn't pay off for them either , the Championship clubs have to work harder than their SL neighbours , they have to offer more and better deals than their SL neighbours to get fans in , All that costs money , and the worst thing is that the RFL do have that money , they do offer it to the Championship clubs , but not to spend on marketing to local ' walk through the gate ' fans

Instead they have to spend it on wages for F/T CEO's and marketing personel with a remit to get a Sugar daddy

Just for the record , most if not all of Warringtons Community is not financed by SKY money or even Warringtons income , it is financed via community Grants , so you are basically wrong , again

As I have just told you , warringtons community is not financed through SL,SKY or the club itself , the vast majority is via grants

If they weren't in SL would they receive these grants? You seem to know more than me..I personally don't think the stadium would have got through the government objection if we weren't in the top flight.

Re your first sentence I never said you didn't. But that is exactly why we spend all that money.
You're on here claiming SL clubs are so reliant on the money but why wouldn't we spend whats given to us? The SL clubs would not go bust if Sky pulled the plug at the end of the TV deal

erm yes it is.
The TV money pays matt kings wages, matt king sells shirts and gets people interested through the gates and so on.
I mentioned community work earlier as one point, by getting people through the gates I meant everything that results in the end product of paying spectators coming to games

Model you want to follow ,

I know its inaccurate but the only evidence you have is the years they were in the NL's.
What I meant was since coming up they run their club very differently from Hull Kr don't they. only a fool would claim otherwise

Yes if you have the knowledge to get them

Yes if you are IN SL , if you are not the job is 2/3/4 times harder , no matter how big your club or town is

You mean HKR , yes they have run the club differently , they have tipped between a half and a million quid a season in to make sure they are competitive , very different to being in the NL's

So instead of being maybe £ 500,000 in debt they are 3 million , and that is with the SKY money

Harder but not impossible. Do Leigh get these grants?
See Widnes and Hull Kr in recent seasons.
Get 3500 through the gates and you stand a chance

Exactly. Which is why when he was comparing Hull Krs dream I was suggesting that these days the Castleford approach is probably a better one

so im right, as long as a director is willing to fund a club they are fine.

thanks for that.

Yes they do , but they are nothing to do with the RFL [ not a criticism ]

Go on explain the Castleford approach ? , tell me how it is different to any other clubs ?