I hope you realise that local rivalry and bragging right's apart, vastmans bitterness and sarcastic comments' and his hatred of all things Cas are not the views of most Wakefield fans, you've every right to bask in the glory of your teams achievement and if you go on to win the GF it will be well deserved.

He could go back to designing those lovely pictures of dream stadiums and new stands for Wakey. That was great.

Peter Smith's of the YEP view on the LLS here :- www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/s ... -1-8717766

Peter Smith's of the YEP view on the LLS here :- www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/s ... -1-8717766

This is the problem - *most* of the RL family hasn't put you down; but equally, since most of the RL family doesn't support Cas, they haven't expressed the same joy as you guys (understandably) have. As far I can see, the majority of the posts in this thread are positive about Cas' achievement - but through the lens of DP's perhaps ill-advised comments about the LLS, which was where the thread started, they're bound to have a view. If you only want the unadulterated positivity - I guess that's where the other forum comes in?

Maybe go back and see what you and your fellow Cas fans had to say about Shudds or Wire winning the LLS and sod all else? If you go on to win the GF, then by all means come back and gloat to your hearts content - that will really upset the apple cart.

It makes you wonder what Wakey fans would do if they were to finish top on the league one day. We (Tigers) have set an example that the so-called smaller and less fashionable clubs can actually win something as well as the teams like Wigan, Leeds, and Saints.

Your views are miles apart from your chairman Mick Carter who I had the pleasure of talking to after last Thursdays game. He was celebrating our win like he was one of our own.

Pull us down to your hearts content - it makes us stronger.

Thanks for your post.

I'm not a historian and may be drifting the thread here, but, what I was driving at, all be it not too well, was that those that repeat the 'fact' that we as a sport have employed the play off system to crown the Champions to dismiss the claims of the 'first past the posters', more than often fail to acknowledge that the league structure 'way back when' was skewed. The league was large, teams played along county lines, there wasn't a complete set of home and away fixtures.

In other words, pre sky and the M62, it could be argued that the play offs were a method of regularizing the inherent faults of an unbalanced fixture list and the difficulty in travelling from Liverpool to Hull for a game of rugby? As a random example take a look at the 1954 and 1955 seasons

Back on topic, well done Cas great achievement thus far and I hope that you win the GF

Well what Bren said is true, but it's not "pulling you down". If you opened your one eye, you'd see that Vastman aside Wakey fans have been congratulatory towards Cas.

Set an example? Huddersfield won it the other year but everybody forgets LLS winners because people regard it meaningless unless you win the grand final aswell. If Wakefield finished top of the league I'd be ecstatic and cas fans would be saying it means nothing, that's just how it is.
Wakefield Trinity have been champions twice, cas have been the best team this season so far, win the grand final and you'll be deserved champions and have a star on your shirt next season.
Up the Trin

That you've clearly forgotten Hudds winning the LLS only a few years back only goes to help the argument that people don't really remember who won the LLS.

I didn't deny that we have used a play off system and I wasn't there that when the decision was made on why it was agreed to be used, I just gave an opinion as to why it might have been more appropriate then than it is now if you were looking to set up a competition.

As a supporter of a club that has had LLS success, but, failed to win the GF/Championship in my lifetime, yet managed to win a play off series under the first past the post system and 'only'won a Play Off, I can assure you that I am not bitter or in denial that the winners of this year's Grand Final will be crowned Champions, as it's what all the teams have signed up to at the start of the competition..I get that.

What I don't get is the lack of value placed on the LLS bordering on the dismissive by plenty and the, in my view, simplistic 'back stop' view that it must be right, or at least can't be challenged because that's how we have nearly always done it and we only had a change to the system to mimic soccer (what do they know about running a successful competition?).

The fact that you, and others can recall Huddersfield winning the LLS surely shows that people do remember who won the LLS!!

...and that is the crux of the argument. Hudds fans didn't think it was meaningless in 2013, Tigers fans certainly don't in 2017 (we are still celebrating this bank holiday Monday) but every one else regards it as meaningless. It reeks of envy.