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| Kinda left the subject of Sam Burgess behind now.
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| Tre cool, have you gone round and asked all 82,000 individually? didnt think so, it's just prejudice on your part. If you had you'd know that to get a ticket, you either have to be a member of a local club or a member of the supporters club at £40 a pop just to get into the ticket ballot. Thats doing more than alot of England rl 'fans' do, most of whom never turn up to games unless tickets are a tenner. And there you have the main reason why Sam left, and who can blame him.
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| Quote: Tre Cool "If these people were really into the game of ru then they'd follow it properly, not just go to a few England games live or watch a few England games on tv every year.'"
Same can be said of the RL fraternity - teams have 20-25k fans who turn out for a CC Final or the Grand Final, yet only have an average of 9-10k turning up for home games during the season!
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| Quote: galliant "Tre cool, have you gone round and asked all 82,000 individually? didnt think so, it's just prejudice on your part. If you had you'd know that to get a ticket, you either have to be a member of a local club or a member of the supporters club at £40 a pop just to get into the ticket ballot. Thats doing more than alot of England rl 'fans' do, most of whom never turn up to games unless tickets are a tenner. And there you have the main reason why Sam left, and who can blame him.'"
Theoretically this is true, however in reality it is unlikely that every single person with a ticket meets those criteria.
I know plenty of people who have been for a day at Twickers, who have never stepped inside a rugby union clubhouse, or been to a game at any level before, or could name more than a couple of players they would be watching. They went because someone had some tickets and it was an "event" or it was a day out at the rugger with the chaps, not because they have a passion for the sport of rugby union.
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| Quote: galliant "Tre cool, have you gone round and asked all 82,000 individually? didnt think so, it's just prejudice on your part. If you had you'd know that to get a ticket, you either have to be a member of a local club or a member of the supporters club at £40 a pop just to get into the ticket ballot. Thats doing more than alot of England rl 'fans' do, most of whom never turn up to games unless tickets are a tenner. And there you have the main reason why Sam left, and who can blame him.'"
Lol. Are you related to Gutterfax? He's good at talking bo||ocks too.
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| Quote: galliant "Tre cool, have you gone round and asked all 82,000 individually? didnt think so, it's just prejudice on your part. If you had you'd know that to get a ticket, you either have to be a member of a local club or a member of the supporters club at £40 a pop just to get into the ticket ballot. Thats doing more than alot of England rl 'fans' do, most of whom never turn up to games unless tickets are a tenner. And there you have the main reason why Sam left, and who can blame him.'"
Yes I've asked everyone that went to the last England game at Twickenham.
Ive lived in the home counties since I was 8, I went to a grammar school down here and I work for a company that has seats at Twickenham, I know a LOT of people that go to Twickenham for England games (friends/colleagues/family/neighbours) and a LOT of people that watch the England games on tv every year. And not ONE of them has any interest in their Elite competition or ever watches club ru. I know one die hard club ru fan and he doesn't watch the national team at all.
For me the bulk of ru fanbase is not an actual fan of the sport (although they may think they are). You don't get that in RL.
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| Quote: Mr Churchill "I expect I'm not alone amongst interested RL fans in hoping that Sam Burgess gets a full game this Friday instead of just a fraction of a game off the bench.'"
Seem to have got my wish. It's reported that Sam is playing the full match on Friday.
rlhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/30383063rl
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| Quote: Tre Cool "Yes I've asked everyone that went to the last England game at Twickenham.
Ive lived in the home counties since I was 8, I went to a grammar school down here and I work for a company that has seats at Twickenham, I know a LOT of people that go to Twickenham for England games (friends/colleagues/family/neighbours) and a LOT of people that watch the England games on tv every year. And not ONE of them has any interest in their Elite competition or ever watches club ru. I know one die hard club ru fan and he doesn't watch the national team at all.
For me the bulk of ru fanbase is not an actual fan of the sport (although they may think they are). You don't get that in RL.'"
You just don't get it do you. If you criticise rugby union in any shape or form you're just a bitter, prejudiced northerner because they can fill Twickenham.
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| Quote: Him "You just don't get it do you. If you criticise rugby union in any shape or form you're just a bitter, prejudiced northerner because they can fill Twickenham.'"
Nope.
Claims that Sam could walk into any position he WANTS to are further proof of the bitterness held by some on here though. The fact that they can fill twickenham for internationals, as well as club double headers and even the quins Boxing Day game simply points to them being a well run sport.
Rugby league in the uk has it's own event in magic weekend.......how come we only get half the crowd quins get for their stand alone Xmas game? Is it because RL fans refute to travel too far past their own front gate unless it's included in their season ticket?
Is it because the RFU pay the bbc to
Ignore or even bury league news unless it's a negative story............a conspiracy lapped up by Williams moonie set on here
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| A colleague at work today described Sam's performances so far as "looking like an overgrown toddler with an "interesting tackling style"!"
Think that means they've never seen anyone want to be involved in a game for more than five minutes havent seen anyone make a proper tackle!
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| Quote: JonB95 "WTF... why are you incapable of discussing the two SPORTS without bringing crowd figures into it... biggest doesn't mean best, for various reasons... unless you're also of the belief that One Direction are the BEST band in the world.'"
I've said something similar a few times and for some reason it' always gets overlooked? Why's football more popular than both codes, is it genuinely the best product?!
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| Quote: gutterfax "Nope.
Claims that Sam could walk into any position he WANTS to are further proof of the bitterness held by some on here though. The fact that they can fill twickenham for internationals, as well as club double headers and even the quins Boxing Day game simply points to them being a well run sport.
Rugby league in the uk has it's own event in magic weekend.......how come we only get half the crowd quins get for their stand alone Xmas game? Is it because RL fans refute to travel too far past their own front gate unless it's included in their season ticket?
Is it because the RFU pay the bbc to
Ignore or even bury league news unless it's a negative story............a conspiracy lapped up by Williams moonie set on here'"
WTF are you on about?
Is a Union fan who criticises football a similarly bitter, prejudiced, conspiracy theorist? Or will you just ignore the question again and respond with meaningless, irrelevant crap?
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| Quote: Him "
Let's look at this a little deeper shall we?
Association football fans are loyal to country and club equally, refer to Rugby fans as "egg chasers" and view them as posh gits who are probably called Tarquin and married to Jemima. Other than that, your average soccer fan doesn't give "rugga" a second thought, other than when the International side are playing or Sir Johnny of Toulon is dropping another world cup winning last second .....etc...etc.
Rugby Union fans are split into 3 camps. Firstly, you have the week in week out attendees (currently 10,900 or so average). These are not dissimilar to your average RL fans and are probably affiliated to a club as well as maybe running out for an amateur side or have kids that do. 21,000 of these fans recently preferred to watch Leicester Tigers play instead of England v Australia, which was on at the same time.
Then there are the band-waggoners, who will attend internationals, pretend to be knowledgeable, but in reality, have only just bought their first England shirt because they got tickets through work.
Lastly there are the tail-gate partiers. These lot know their rugby, having attended a rugga school and because their father used to own half of Yorkshire, scotland, lancashire, cumbria (delete as required) and they married Jemima, whose daddy is the High commissioner of India, they can afford to spend thousands having their old school chum over for a bit of nosh at the back of the range rover before KO.
The first and third groups above probably don't give "sokkah" a second thought whilst the middle lot are all probably big fans of a London Premier League side.
Union and it's fanbases feel no malice towards football and it's the same the other way around.
Rugby League fans fall generally into 1 category. That is that they are fiercely loyal to their club side, which is steeped in tradition and has strong local ties to the community and the industry that is/was the heartbeat of their town. Past players from a bygone era would have worked locally, lived locally, played locally and are now probably running a pub locally. They are in the majority, situated along 1 road in England and are split in their opinion about the need for "expansion". Some welcome change and the chance to promote the greatest game, but others would rather see the game stay as it is, a local rather than truly national sport. They will attend home games that are included on their season ticket/pass, but need to be encouraged with "offers" to attend anything else other than finals, a FACT represented by the poor averages for their cup and play-off games.
They are probably soccer fans as well, given that most towns that have a pro league team have a better supported soccer team, but many detest Union and its fans with a venom that s quite disturbing. Often heard to cite events from France 70 years ago as the reason for all their woes, they suspect (but have never delivered proof of) their self proclaimed The Greatest Game is "kept in its place" by a Media that is controlled by Union group #3 (see above). The wail and gnash their teeth whilst pulling at their sack cloth clothes at the news that SBW or Sam Burgess has been signed by a wealthier sport, selectively forgetting the raids their game made into Union in the years prior to 1995.
In their blankets of insecurity, they cite "double headers, rounded attendance figures, fat overweight props and a plethora of other unsubstantiatable accusations to try and make Union look smaller, more foolish and "boring" in the hope that it will make the self proclaimed Greatest Game more popular. Alas, attendances continue to fall. I have to say, the claim that all 82,000 at Twickenham for an international have no idea what is going on is one of the more colourfully insecure claims I have heard in recent years on here.
They cite "bigger TV audiences" for Superleague, ignoring the smaller TV deal they have financially. The cry foul when the BBC doesn't run wall to wall promotion of their sport, write letters to the editor when a RL players is overlooked for SPOTY and brand anyone who doesn't agree with them a Union troll
So in a nutshell, Soccer fans know of but don't care about Union and don't know about League
Union fans don't care about soccer or League although they might know who's top of the premier league
League fans think the world hates them and everyone is out to get them. Some of them hate Union so much they will subscribe to a Pay TV channel to watch it though
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| Wow Gutters....you have way too much time on your hands!
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| I'll say it again...WTF are you on about? You really don't know do you?
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