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| Quote: Him "The DR issues is quite simple to solve, any players DR agreement ends for that season if their parent club ends in the same "8" as their DR club.
I'd be surprised if the situation ever (or more than rarely) arises anyway.'"
There should be no possibility of the situation arising. How often does the RFL legislate after the event (usually depending upon which club is involved and to suit it's current agenda).
End Dual Registration now!
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| Quote: Fax Machine "There should be no possibility of the situation arising. How often does the RFL legislate after the event (usually depending upon which club is involved and to suit it's current agenda).
End Dual Registration now!'"
But the problem is solved if what I said is implemented. Either that or the parent club be forced to either recall the player (therefore ending the DR for that season) or make him available for all the other clubs' games.
But it won't happen often anyway.
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| Quote: Him "But the problem is solved if what I said is implemented. '"
No it isn't.
If you want to maintain the integrity of any competition, you can't allow the possibility of (in the case of RL) of a Super League club having the on-going ability to manipulate the outcome of a competition in which it (or its direct competitors) may be playing in the same season.
Unfortunately, FM, the RFL has said DR will continue in 2015 "in some form". So, I'll put this forward as the best form of DR (if we have to have it)Super League clubs can only have their dual registered players play for a Championship 1 (ie new 'League 1') club and NOT Championship clubs. Each Super League club can have no more than 3 of its players play on dual reg for any one club in a season. eg If, over a season, a Super League club sends out 12 players to play on dual reg, it would have to spread them across at least 4 different Championship 1 clubs.
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| Quote: Mr Churchill "No it isn't.
If you want to maintain the integrity of any competition, you can't allow the possibility of (in the case of RL) of a Super League club having the on-going ability to manipulate the outcome of a competition in which it (or its direct competitors) may be playing in the same season.
Unfortunately, FM, the RFL has said DR will continue in 2015 "in some form". So, I'll put this forward as the best form of DR (if we have to have it)Super League clubs can only have their dual registered players play for a Championship 1 (ie new 'League 1') club and NOT Championship clubs. Each Super League club can have no more than 3 of its players play on dual reg for any one club in a season. eg If, over a season, a Super League club sends out 12 players to play on dual reg, it would have to spread them across at least 4 different Championship 1 clubs.
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If my suggestion was implemented, how can a SL side manipulate the competition?
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| A Championship team could load its squad full of DR players and earn a place in the middle eight. Then all of a sudden the DR players disappear and they are getting beat 80-0 for 7 games.
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| What's the difference between DR and loan. Surely it just needs to be tightened up a bit.
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| Quote: bewareshadows "What's the difference between DR and loan. Surely it just needs to be tightened up a bit.'"
Yep. A couple of tweaks to the rules and it's sorted.
Like I said I'd be suprised if there's regularly an issue anyway as I can't imagine most of the top Championship clubs being a DR partner to a bottom SL club, if at all.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Then why do you think the Championships only matter if the prize is promotion to Super League?'"
Why don't we just have a six team super league with all teams below used as feeders.they could use the lower teams for dual reg and loans to ensure their players get game time.
I give up sometimes!!!
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| I still think when the split happens it will be a very tough ask for any championship club to gain promotion at then end of next season.The two teams relegated receive £780,000 funding,the four teams who drop down into the middle eight will have £1.85m funding and the two championship sides to make up the eight will receive £500,000 and £450,000 respectively.
As I say a tough ask and a little unbalanced
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| Quote: Nat (Rugby_Aholic) "A Championship team could load its squad full of DR players and earn a place in the middle eight. Then all of a sudden the DR players disappear and they are getting beat 80-0 for 7 games.'"
A Championship team can't load a team full of DR players, they can use 5 at most, almost certainly reduced next season.
And just how good do you think these young/fringe Superleague players are? York and Hunslet used it last year and got relegated.
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| Swinton have used it again this year and got relegated. Workington however and Doncaster have definitely used it to their advantage using DR full internationals along with some very good youngsters like Murphy and Tierney from Wigan playing at Worky (Charnley too) and Hull FCs Ben Crookes and Jacob(?) Miller most notably playing at Donny. It shouldn't just be reduced it should be dropped.
Question :- Championship clubs can afford to run U20s, why can't SL clubs?
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| Quote: DemonUK "
Question
SL clubs run an u19's.
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| Why cant they bring back the good old 'open age a team' ????
the aussies do it 'and its a good competition too', so why cant we ?
Does it matter if your 19 or 35 ??
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| Quote: Snowy "Why cant they bring back the good old 'open age a team' ????
the aussies do it 'and its a good competition too', so why cant we ?
Does it matter if your 19 or 35 ??'"
That would make the combined brain power at Red Hall explode..too fecking simple that is.
1st team..self explanatory
A team..not in the named 19, players coming back from injury, upcoming youngsters on fringes of first team..no age limit up or down
Colts (18s & under)
And if three teams travel on the same coach to play the same team at all levels then all the better keeping costs down. i know this isn't always feasibe but I reckon these types of things are what hugely increase costs for running these teams
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "That would make the combined brain power at Red Hall explode..too fecking simple that is.
1st team..self explanatory
A team..not in the named 19, players coming back from injury, upcoming youngsters on fringes of first team..no age limit up or down
Colts (18s & under)
And if three teams travel on the same coach to play the same team at all levels then all the better keeping costs down. i know this isn't always feasibe but I reckon these types of things are what hugely increase costs for running these teams'"
No what's too simple is just saying "I don't understand why we can't have an A-team".
An A-team requires open age players.
If we're to have open age players of a requisite standard they have to be full time.
If they're to be full time that opens up a number of issues. Most notably how clubs are to find the money for, say, an extra 10 full time players.
There's also then the issue that if these full time players are good enough to slot into a SL first team every now and again then they're probably good enough to be playing every week in the Championship first team or even for bottom SL clubs. So how do the A-team keep these players?
There's also then the salary cap issue. Which would be very tricky for A-team players.
An A-team worked in the semi-pro era when those players could be part time but I don't see how it would work, even if the money issue was sorted, in a pro era other than the NRL way with feeder clubs.
And the costs of running academy teams and different age groups aren't affected by putting an extra bus on once every 2 weeks. You probably wouldn't fit 1st team and another team on one bus anyway. You certainly wouldn't fit 3 teams on.
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