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whether or not the drops seen at these clubs is caused by P+R (and there has been a correlation to clubs attendances dropping when in a relegation fight during the last P+R failure) is irrelevant. What we can see, is that it is not driving an increase in attendance as was argued previously.

It was argued avoiding relegation gave clubs something to play for, that we would see clubs who would otherwise stagnate during that season see renewed interest and attendances because of the 'jeopardy' relegation created. This hasnt happened.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "whether or not the drops seen at these clubs is caused by P+R (and there has been a correlation to clubs attendances dropping when in a relegation fight during the last P+R failure) is irrelevant. What we can see, is that it is not driving an increase in attendance as was argued previously.

It was argued avoiding relegation gave clubs something to play for, that we would see clubs who would otherwise stagnate during that season see renewed interest and attendances because of the 'jeopardy' relegation created. This hasnt happened.'"


This from a data set of 3 rounds.

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Quote: bewareshadows "This from a data set of 3 rounds.'"

There is time to change, but thats what the data is telling us now, and it goes against what those in favour of P+R were saying after round 1.

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SL Round 3 attendances - comparison to same fixtures last year


Salford V St Helens in 2014 *SUSPICIOUS ROUNDED CROWD NUMBER*
Catalan V Leeds in 2013 *LOWEST ODSAL CROWD EVER IN SL*
Bradford V London in 2013 Total Attendance in SL Round 3

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[i4 out of 7 fixtures in Round 3 have shown an increase in attendance compared to the same SL fixtures last year.
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Championship Round 3 attendances - comparison to same fixtures last year


Sheffield V Barrow in 2014 *HIGHEST CROWD SINCE CRUSADERS REBIRTH*
Crusaders V Featherstone in 2013 Total Attendance for comparable games in Championship Round 3

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[i2 out of 5 comparable fixtures in Round 3 have shown an increase in attendance compared to the same Championship fixtures last year.[/i

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Championship 1 Round 1 attendances - comparison to same fixtures last year


Hemel V Hunslet in 2014 Total Attendance for comparable games in Championship 1 Round 1


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[i2 out of 2 comparable fixtures in Round 1 have shown an increase in attendance compared to the same Championship 1 fixtures last year.[/i

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[iTotal Attendance for comparable games in SL and Championships Round 3

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SL Attendances

Round 1 - 10.38% increase
Round 2 - 0.28% decrease
Round 3 - 3.35% increase

Total
[i2014 [/i- 174,998
[i2013 [/i- 166,496
% increase Championship Attendances

Round 1 - 39.67% increase
Round 2 - 11.41% decrease
Round 3 - 1.66% increase

Total (for comparable fixtures only)
[i2014 [/i- 19,673
[i2013 [/i- 18,031
% increase Championship 1 Attendances

Round 1 - 39.25% increase

Total (for comparable fixtures only)
[i2014 [/i- 893
[i2013 [/i- 642
% increase Total (for comparable fixtures only)

[i2014 [/i- 195,564
[i2013 [/i- 185,169
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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: SmokeyTA "Will they?

Where are they then? Where are the Bradford, Wakefield and London fans going to watch RL now they arent going to Bradford, Wakefield and London?

Which promoted team is going to bring the 10-12k to the table Bradford did? The 6/7k Wakefield did?

Where's the games 'win'.

Is every sport without P+R, wrestling? Is the NRL wrestling?

The point of the top league is to be the biggest and best it can. If you dont like that, there is plenty of amateur RL for you to go watch.'"


The ' Win ' wont always match the ' loss ' or visa versa, or wont always happen at the same time, overal if the sport gains more interest then fine

Either way if the Bulls,Wakey and London ( although they have several different issues that could affect attendances this year ) fans cannot be bothered to support THEIR club because they are at risk, they are no great loss to the sport, the vast majority of sports fans never see their club win anything, good job they dont all jack in because of it

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Super League XX will see the highest AVERAGE attendance for the competition in its 20th year.....if the RFL had figured out that all they had to do to BOOST AVERAGE attendances was get shot of London, we'd have been relegated a lot sooner icon_lol.gif

The Crowd at Bradford showed a quite alarming drop, regardless of the shenanigans at the club. As much as I berate the idiots who run the London Broncos at present, I'd still drag my 'arris to the Hive 13 times to cheer on the team...it's what being a "fan" is all about. The Bradford faithful need to get behind their team.....the more of them through the gates the more attractive an investment the club will seem!

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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: gutterfax "Super League XX will see the highest AVERAGE attendance for the competition in its 20th year.....if the RFL had figured out that all they had to do to BOOST AVERAGE attendances was get shot of London, we'd have been relegated a lot sooner
If you were a potential investor and you read on here the loyal fans opinions of Mr Khan, and their thoughts on him recovering just a %age of the extremely large sum he put in to ' save THEIR Club, would you be interested?

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Quote: Starbug "The ' Win ' wont always match the ' loss ' or visa versa, or wont always happen at the same time, overal if the sport gains more interest then fine

Either way if the Bulls,Wakey and London ( although they have several different issues that could affect attendances this year ) fans cannot be bothered to support THEIR club because they are at risk, they are no great loss to the sport, the vast majority of sports fans never see their club win anything, good job they dont all jack in because of it'"

Brilliant. Its great that the game is so flushed with money and fans that we can afford to alienate those who dont pass the 'starbug test for proper fans'

Im sure Bradford, London and Wakefield feel the big drop in revenue that these supporters bring is 'no great loss to the game'

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Quote: Starbug "If you were a potential investor and you read on here the loyal fans opinions of Mr Khan, and their thoughts on him recovering just a %age of the extremely large sum he put in to ' save THEIR Club, would you be interested?'"


Absolutely not. If I was seriously considering investing time money and effort into a business, I would ignore all commercial considerations and base my decisions on random posts by internet forum warriors.

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Absolutely not. If I was seriously considering investing time money and effort into a business, I would ignore all commercial considerations and base my decisions on random posts by internet forum warriors.'"

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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: SmokeyTA "Brilliant. Its great that the game is so flushed with money and fans that we can afford to alienate those who dont pass the 'starbug test for proper fans'

Im sure Bradford, London and Wakefield feel the big drop in revenue that these supporters bring is 'no great loss to the game''"


Not my test by any stretch ,if they dont want to go after 2 matches because they ' might ' not retain their top tier status, that is their decision , but ultimatley any club is only as strong as its fan base, no doubt they enjoyed their time in the sun , I'm sure none of them have ever ' enjoyed ' gloating to Fax, Keighley, Batley or Dewsbury fans recently?

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Quote: Starbug "Not my test by any stretch ,if they dont want to go after 2 matches because they ' might ' not retain their top tier status, that is their decision , but ultimatley any club is only as strong as its fan base, no doubt they enjoyed their time in the sun , I'm sure none of them have ever ' enjoyed ' gloating to Fax, Keighley, Batley or Dewsbury fans recently?'"

doubt any bradford fan has done much gloating recently!

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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Absolutely not. If I was seriously considering investing time money and effort into a business, I would ignore all commercial considerations and base my decisions on random posts by internet forum warriors.'"


' Commercial considerations ' icon_lol.gif ,you crack me up at times

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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: Saint Simon "doubt any bradford fan has done much gloating recently!'"



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