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| Quote: Chief Stinkwort "Corrected as of 3.31pm - 5th April.
Still a false argument IMO
hold my hands up the majority are saying schofield was the better player now.
maybe but that is the whole point of having this poll.
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| Quote: dubairl "hold my hands up the majority are saying schofield was the better player now.
maybe but that is the whole point of having this poll.'"
No, that is the whole [ipointlessness[/i of having this poll.
Had the poll stopped at 9.00 this morning you could have claimed a 'victory' for the Edwards camp. If it stops now you could claim victory for Schofield. Who knows which of the two you could claim as the 'best player' tomorrow?
Like I said it's a bit of fun, but IMO the result (at any given time) is still pretty irrelevant.
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| has anyone made a credible case for edwards being better than schofield yet?
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| Quote: morleys_deckchair "has anyone made a credible case for edwards being better than schofield yet?'"
Has anyone made a credible case for him not being better than Schofield
Saying Schofield is better than Edwards is like saying Benji Marshall is better than Thurston. You just can't say it, they are different players. Just because Thurston isn't as flash does not mean he isn't as good.
It comes down to who you would rather have in your team. Edwards every time. If you wanted to win that is.
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| Quote: Odem "Has anyone made a credible case for him not being better than Schofield
In your opinion, but not in the opinion of some of the greats of the game:
According to Billy Boston the greatest player of that era was Brett Kenny.
When Kenny was asked who was the best British player he'd ever faced his reply was "Garry Schofield – he was a great player and a real thorn in the side of anyone he came across. He could score tries from nothing when he was a young centre and then he went on to become a very good stand-off and a very good leader."
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| Quote: Odem "Has anyone made a credible case for him not being better than Schofield
This is a hugely frustrating argument... Edwards has won more medals than any other player so he must be a ‘winner’ and a top quality player
I think that there is a very strong argument to say that Roger Federer is the best tennis player ever as he has won the most grand slam titles or Jack Nicklaus the best ever golfer as he has won the most majors but Rugby League is a team sport and you cannot use the number of trophies won as a measure of individual quality or this strange concept of being a ‘winner’ – this argument doesn’t stand up to any kind of logic
If you wanted to use a metric to decide who was the better player (rather than a subjective opinion), why don’t we use which player was chosen by a national coach or selection committee to represent his country the most times, I’m pretty sure those coaches knew a thing or two about playing ability?
Let me state for the record, I (like many others) think that Edwards was a very good player but Schofield was clearly better as has been shown by his international and Australian domestic success when you can take the all conquering Wigan factor out of the equation and compare them like for like
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| Quote: Dunbar "This is a hugely frustrating argument... Edwards has won more medals than any other player so he must be a ‘winner’ and a top quality player
I think that there is a very strong argument to say that Roger Federer is the best tennis player ever as he has won the most grand slam titles or Jack Nicklaus the best ever golfer as he has won the most majors but Rugby League is a team sport and you cannot use the number of trophies won as a measure of individual quality or this strange concept of being a ‘winner’ – this argument doesn’t stand up to any kind of logic
If you wanted to use a metric to decide who was the better player (rather than a subjective opinion), why don’t we use which player was chosen by a national coach or selection committee to represent his country the most times, I’m pretty sure those coaches knew a thing or two about playing ability?
Let me state for the record, I (like many others) think that Edwards was a very good player but Schofield was clearly better as has been shown by his international and Australian domestic success when you can take the all conquering Wigan factor out of the equation and compare them like for like'"
Read my post again. I am saying Edwards was better in different ways other than being flash. In the same way that Thurston is better than Marshall without the flash. I didn't realise opening up the defence and individual brilliance was the only way in which you can be 'better' than another player.
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| Quote: Odem "Read my post again. I am saying Edwards was better in different ways other than being flash. In the same way that Thurston is better than Marshall without the flash. I didn't realise opening up the defence and individual brilliance was the only way in which you can be 'better' than another player.'"
Yes, I get that. Maybe I should have just quoted the bit about the ‘if you want to win pick Edwards’ as the team element of our sport make that argument impossible to defend
As for the flash vs. Individual brilliance. I think it is a little bit of a false argument because Schofield was certainly capable of bossing a game (definitely later in his career at 6) but if we need to categorise them as such then I think that Schofield was a better flashy player than Edwards was a solid player
If I was selecting a team from that era, Schofield would be one of the first on the team sheet
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| Love this quote from Schofield “My best performances that year came in the Test series in New Zealand(1990) and I loved it when Phil Clarke told me that Shaun Edwards’s dad put pictures of me wearing the Great Britain number-six jersey up in his kitchen to motivate him into getting the jersey back. But from then on, Shaun wasn’t getting that jersey back, it was mine.''
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| Quote: WOODDDDDDDYA "Love this quote from Schofield “My best performances that year came in the Test series in New Zealand(1990) and I loved it when Phil Clarke told me that Shaun Edwards’s dad put pictures of me wearing the Great Britain number-six jersey up in his kitchen to motivate him into getting the jersey back. But from then on, Shaun wasn’t getting that jersey back, it was mine.'''"
Got more dosh than him.
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| Schofield. Schofield is definitely fatter than Edwards.
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| Quote: WOODDDDDDDYA "Love this quote from Schofield “My best performances that year came in the Test series in New Zealand(1990) and I loved it when Phil Clarke told me that Shaun Edwards’s dad put pictures of me wearing the Great Britain number-six jersey up in his kitchen to motivate him into getting the jersey back. But from then on, Shaun wasn’t getting that jersey back, it was mine.'''"
Presumably the highlight of Schofield's career.
Meanwhile, in 1990 Shaun had already lifted 4 Challenge Cups, 1 World Club Challenge, 2 League Titles, 4 Regal/John Player Trophies, 3 Lancashire Cups and 1 Man of Steel - with plenty more to come. Which would Schofield have preferred do you think?
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| Quote: Cronus "Presumably the highlight of Schofield's career.
Meanwhile, in 1990 Shaun had already lifted 4 Challenge Cups, 1 World Club Challenge, 2 League Titles, 4 Regal/John Player Trophies, 3 Lancashire Cups and 1 Man of Steel - with plenty more to come. Which would Schofield have preferred do you think?
Schofield won the golden boot and MOS the following year. Knowing Schofield he revels in his reputation reputation as one of the most universally acclaimed players of his generation. He turned down huge money from Wigan to stay with Leeds. I don't think he's that bothered.
I notice you use the same argument as many Leeds fans use when comparing Sinfield to Flanders. An argument that Wigan fans rubbish everytime (Ricky Bibey has 2 CC medals etc).
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| Quote: Charlie Sheen "Schofield won the golden boot and MOS the following year. Knowing Schofield he revels in his reputation reputation as one of the most universally acclaimed players of his generation. He turned down huge money from Wigan to stay with Leeds. I don't think he's that bothered.'"
He doesn't have much choice, really. That's the only line he can spew.
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| Quote: Cronus "He doesn't have much choice, really. That's the only line he can spew.'"
Well apart from being a MOS and Golden Boot winner, having record number of GB caps and being one of the best playesr in pretty much every team he played in. Where as once Edwards was out of his comfort zone at Wigan he was found wanting.
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