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| Quote: Wellsy13 "So how do you know what you're replying to if you haven't actually read the post?
I think you have read them, but don't have an answer.'"
No i didn't read them,what would have been the point,all your doing is repeating yourself over and over again and getting other posters to repeat themselves.
After the crusaders debacle i thought people like you had finally learned you no nothing about the game outside your bubble,how wrong was i.So now it all starts again ,the same people spouting the same rubbish.
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "You do want it both ways. You want to argue both ways.
And in trying to explain that you're not contradicting yourself, you've done it again. The contradiction is that you're arguing that people watching on TV is stopping them from going to the games as a negative, but also arguing that less people will get that coverage now as a negative. If they can't get it on TV, surely they'll go to the game instead (which is what you've just argued is what is stopping them going to the game).'"
Yes if a club is on TV , then less will attend , and the argument against this ha usually been , that the club will make more money from advertising and sponsorship [ something which I also disagree with , most Championship sponsors dont get much if any return for their support , even if it is on TV ] , with a lower profile channel , that argument doesn't stack up now
But the main issue is playing midweek , it would be interesting to see how attendances in SL would be playing thursday night on TV ?
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| Quote: Starbug "I don't want it both ways , I don't want it at all , So I'll tell you again , no money , no TV
The difference this year is that from what I have been told , the coverage will be poorer ( giving a poorer impression of the game at Championship level ) less people will receive that coverage ( but still most pubs ) , and the games will still be midweek , meaning attendances will continue to suffer , and therefore clubs will still lose money
Maybe they should try some SL games on Thursday nights to see what the SL Chairmen think of it ?
If you don't understand my point , then that's your problem , not mine , I suggest you get somebody to explain it to you'"
Your point, as usual, is based upon an incorrect premise.
Premier sports is a stand alone channel, only available on Sky's EPG, with a standalone cost. For commercial customers they dont even advertise what that cost is, nor sell it through sky, you have to fanny around on the internet to find a separate number and call them direct and get a quote, because of that the amount of pubs who can screen and do screen premier sports is unbelievably low. It is a tiny tiny tiny fraction.
Leeds played Bradford on thursday the 21st of April this year, the attendance was knocking on 20k
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Your point, as usual, is based upon an incorrect premise.
Premier sports is a stand alone channel, only available on Sky's EPG, with a standalone cost. For commercial customers they dont even advertise what that cost is, nor sell it through sky, you have to fanny around on the internet to find a separate number and call them direct and get a quote, because of that the amount of pubs who can screen and do screen premier sports is unbelievably low. It is a tiny tiny tiny fraction.
Leeds played Bradford on thursday the 21st of April this year, the attendance was knocking on 20k'"
Was that Easter ?
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| Quote: Starbug "Was that Easter ?'"
Yes.
And.........
Would the drive from Leeds to Bradford be too long on work night?
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Yes.
And.........
Would the drive from Leeds to Bradford be too long on work night?'"
So thurday night at Easter is the start of a holiday , hardly like for like
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| Quote: Starbug "I wasn't comparing football , you brought it up '"
Yes you were comparing football. You compared a football club playing 20+ games a season to a RL club playing 9+ games a season. It is incomparable. You know this.
Quote: Starbug "And now we come to the crux of the matter , SL , no mention of SL up until this point , when losing an argument bring in the ' Everybody wants to be in SL ' and because you're not , that's why you have a problem argument '"
I never said everyone wants to be in SL. I said you want to be. And you do, because you talk about clubs being ambitious, being cut off, a split, etc. If you didn't want to be in the SL, you wouldn't be bothered about being cut off, and would be content with being a top Championship club (which Leigh are).
Quote: Starbug "There isn't a single club in the Championships that is anywhere near being a suitable club for a franchised SL , including Leigh'"
...at the moment.
Quote: Starbug "If you just think this is a Leigh thing , then once again you couldn't be further from the truth , I regularly watch other Championship games and have worked with other clubs for mutual benefit '"
How does that mean this isn't a Leigh thing?
Quote: Starbug "If the SL clubs wanted feeder clubs then the RFL will change the rules to allow them , more likely is they have decided that the loan and Dual Reg system suits our competitions better'"
Or that the loan and dual reg system is a stepping stone to feeder clubs? Maybe it's part of a strategy? I find it ridiculous to think that just because it isn't happening now means that no-one will ever want it or consider it. If that were the case, things would never happen.
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| Quote: j.c "No i didn't read them,what would have been the point,all your doing is repeating yourself over and over again and getting other posters to repeat themselves.'"
How would you know? You haven't been reading my posts. I'm trying to have a discussion with someone that ignores points that contradict their argument. If you didn't ignore them, there wouldn't be repetition. Think about it.
Quote: j.c "After the crusaders debacle i thought people like you had finally learned you no nothing about the game outside your bubble,how wrong was i.So now it all starts again ,the same people spouting the same rubbish.'"
People like me? Who are people like me? Stereotyping is pretty poor. What have Crusaders got to do with this argument? And what do you know about my opinions on them? Is this your attempt to derail the argument so you don't have to address your other points?
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| Quote: Starbug "Yes if a club is on TV , then less will attend , and the argument against this ha usually been , that the club will make more money from advertising and sponsorship [ something which I also disagree with , most Championship sponsors dont get much if any return for their support , even if it is on TV ] , with a lower profile channel , that argument doesn't stack up now '"
What other people argue is irrelevant to this. You have argued it both ways and you can't do that. You can't argue that less people being able to watch Championship rugby on TV is both positive and negative for the same reason, which is exactly what you have done. It's a contradiction.
Quote: Starbug "But the main issue is playing midweek , it would be interesting to see how attendances in SL would be playing thursday night on TV ?'"
If it got more RL on TV, I'd be happy for it.
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "Yes you were comparing football. You compared a football club playing 20+ games a season to a RL club playing 9+ games a season. It is incomparable. You know this.
I never said everyone wants to be in SL. I said you want to be. And you do, because you talk about clubs being ambitious, being cut off, a split, etc. If you didn't want to be in the SL, you wouldn't be bothered about being cut off, and would be content with being a top Championship club (which Leigh are).
...at the moment.
How does that mean this isn't a Leigh thing?
Or that the loan and dual reg system is a stepping stone to feeder clubs? Maybe it's part of a strategy? I find it ridiculous to think that just because it isn't happening now means that no-one will ever want it or consider it. If that were the case, things would never happen.'"
YOU mentioned football , not ME , and 9 league games isn't enough
This isn't about SL , this is about the clubs in the Championship , my comment about the sport being split is that your only concern is the SL aspect , you have no interest in the Championship clubs perspective , but you won't admit it , I on the other hand will happily admit I couldn't give a monkeys about SL or it's clubs , and certainly would'n't try to tell them how to run their clubs
You suggested I am only concerned about Leigh , when I have told you that also is not true and given you examples why
I have also suggested it may happen , but personally don't think it will
If the SL clubs want something , they will usually get it , they are the power behind professional RL in this country , but they would probably have to pay for it , and they don't like paying for anything , in fact most cannot afford to pay for anything , so it won't happen IMO
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| Wellsy , as you now seem to be adopting the Smokey tactics of dissection and ignoring the points made , not to mention drifting the subject , I'll leave it there , as I said
It won't happen , and if it did , I along with many more wouldn't be there to see it
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| Quote: Starbug "Wellsy , as you now seem to be adopting the Smokey tactics of dissection and ignoring the points made , not to mention drifting the subject , I'll leave it there , as I said
It won't happen , and if it did , I along with many more wouldn't be there to see it'"
I've addressed every single one of your points through dissecting your post.
These sort of threads amuse me, because you always get someone having a go because "someone is telling someone else what to do and how to feel" when all I've actually done is question people. The irony being, the people that are complaining about being told what to do and how to feel are the ones that are telling me (and apparently SL fans as a stereotypical collective) what to do and how to feel. Hypocritical much?
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| OK then Wellsey, how many spectators turn up (and actually pay) to watch SL club Academy/U20s (whatever it is now) games?
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| Quote: Mr Dog "OK then Wellsey, how many spectators turn up (and actually pay) to watch SL club Academy/U20s (whatever it is now) games?'"
You and your man
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| Quote: Mr Dog "OK then Wellsey, how many spectators turn up (and actually pay) to watch SL club Academy/U20s (whatever it is now) games?'"
What's that got to do with anything? Feeder clubs aren't academy teams.
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