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'when my life is over, the thing which will have given me greatest pride is that I was first to plunge into the sea, swimming freely underwater without any connection to the terrestrial world' Yves Le Prieur, the real inventor of the aqualung:



Quote: SmokeyTA "No, its not 'issues outside the control of HKA' which has meant they have a major player who cant play.

The reason Mason hasnt yet played is HKA havent been able to circumvent the quota rules to bring in a player over and above what the RFL regulations allow.

I cant see any reason why the RFL should grant dispensation to re-register Dobson purely so HKA can expedite their breaking of the quota'"



The use of HKA shows your one sided, bile filled hatred which clouds your argument.

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'when my life is over, the thing which will have given me greatest pride is that I was first to plunge into the sea, swimming freely underwater without any connection to the terrestrial world' Yves Le Prieur, the real inventor of the aqualung:



Quote: Him "Hang on their Smokey, have the RFL said they will re-register Dobson? You're having a go at them before anything has even been done.

Simple fact at the moment is that Hull KR have de-registered Michael Dobson, that is Hull KR's right and the RFL (as I understand it) can't stop them from doing that. They have (presumably) now registered Willie Mason. Since Michael Dobson is now no longer a Hull KR player what is your objection to these 2 actions and why do you lay blame at the RFL's door?'"


Isn't it obvious, if it was Hudds or cas that was involved he would not be posting icon_rolleyes.gif

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Assuming (I know Cas or Hudds dont need to be doing this merry dance to cover up for the fact they have no youth development.

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//www.pngnrlbid.com [quote="bUsTiNyAbALLs":9q9d2t35]Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.[/quote:9q9d2t35] [quote="vastman":9q9d2t35]My rage isn't impotent luv, I'm frothing at the mouth actually.[/quote:9q9d2t35]:



Quote: Dudley "So you admit if Masons Tongan passport had arrived on trime, and the whole deregistration issue hadn't arisen HK"A" haven't done anything to break the quota rules?'"

that is unfortunately true. HKA have exploited our weak quota rules to the Nth degree, and in this case have gone a step further and need dispensation to cover it up.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "that is unfortunately true. HKA have exploited our weak quota rules to the Nth degree, and in this case have gone a step further and need dispensation to cover it up.'"

So what exactly is your beef with the club, who you admit haven't broken any quota rules. Surely if you have a problem it should be with the RFL, who obviously aren't running the game in the particular way, you see fit. It seems rather arrogant of you to think your way is the only right way out of all the thousands of people who watch our great game.
Maybe if we should change our name to Hull Kingston Australians, it's time for The Engage Smokey League then it could be run just how you'd like it!

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//www.pngnrlbid.com [quote="bUsTiNyAbALLs":9q9d2t35]Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.[/quote:9q9d2t35] [quote="vastman":9q9d2t35]My rage isn't impotent luv, I'm frothing at the mouth actually.[/quote:9q9d2t35]:



Quote: Dudley "So what exactly is your beef with the club, who you admit haven't broken any quota rules. Surely if you have a problem it should be with the RFL, who obviously aren't running the game in the particular way, you see fit. It seems rather arrogant of you to think your way is the only right way out of all the thousands of people who watch our great game.
Maybe if we should change our name to Hull Kingston Australians, it's time for The Engage Smokey League then it could be run just how you'd like it!'"


I have a problem with both, HKA for doing it, the RFL for being so weak as to allow it.

You dont condone the thieves on the basis the police arent doing their job.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "like what? Yes they use passports of convenience, but i havent heard of anyone being granted dispensation for shuffling like this. '"

There are extra passports & the pre 2008 rule which the vast majority of clubs use.

Quote: SmokeyTA "who cares how we physically receives it? its seems the point went massively over your head there. '"

Quote: SmokeyTA "And if the passport is in the post and he is simply waiting for it then what an idiotic way of getting Mason in. '"

Apparently you do. It may well have gone over my head, it was that covered in sh[ii[/it I decided to duck.

Quote: SmokeyTA "Why should the RFL be expediting Masons arrival because the passport of convenience they have attempted to get to circumvent the rules hasnt yet arrived?

You're argument is basically that HKA have tried to circumvent the rules, they have failed so far but are likely to be successful in the future so why should the RFL bother actually enforcing the rules when it inconveniences HKA '"

Yes indeed, why should the RFL want players to arrive and play for their clubs? What a stupid ridiculous use of RFL time, presumably they should stop helping Crusaders with their players visa problems too?
You keep saying circumvent the rules. Hull KR are playing by the rules as you yourself admit. Willie Mason has been granted a Tongan passport, by the Tongan Prime Minister, about as official as you'll ever get, he just hasn't received it yet. So considering Hull KR are playing by the rules set down in the RFL Operation Rules why shouldn't the RFL help them out with some delayed paperwork?

Quote: SmokeyTA "So leeds should just sign the Queensland SoO side and ask for dispensation on the SC and quota, after all no-one has tried it before so it is 'exceptional circumstance' and im sure if GH tried hard enough he could find plenty of kolpak/continou and home nations passports there and they would likely be successful with a restraint of trade claim on the SC, why bother inconveniencing Leeds with actually bothering to do these things.'"

Don't be daft, you do yourself no credit whatsoever with this ridiculous paragraph.

Your dislike for Hull KR, as evidenced by the pathetic continual use of "HKA", has blinkered you to the merits of the situation. I have no doubt if this were another club involved and the RFL had not allowed this action you would be blaming the RFL for not allowing a club to play a top class player.
The RFL have done exactly the right thing so far, they've been flexible and responsive with the rules to an exceptional situation.

I'll ask you again, is this an exceptional situation or not? Because you seem a little confused on the issue

Quote: SmokeyTA " This isnt an exceptional circumstance'"

Quote: SmokeyTA " No other SL club has done anything like this'"

Quote: SmokeyTA " i havent heard of anyone being granted dispensation for shuffling like this.'"


Which is it Smokey? Is it exceptional and worthy of discussion and possible dispensation by the RFL Board? Or not?

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Quote: SmokeyTA "You dont condone the thieves on the basis the police arent doing their job.'"

You really do seem very confused on this issue Smokey

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Quote: SmokeyTA "Please explain how the quota has been broken, bearing in mind the club has operated within RFL rules throughout.'"
No they havent, which is why they will need dispensation to re-register Dobson.'"


So, again, which is it? Are Hull KR breaking the rules or not?

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Quote: Him "There are extra passports & the pre 2008 rule which the vast majority of clubs use.
'"
yes, thanks for pretty much repeating what I said.

Quote: Him "Apparently you do. It may well have gone over my head, it was that covered in sh[ii[/it I decided to duck.'"
you thought the point of that sentence was my dislike of the postal system? Oh dear

Quote: Him "Yes indeed, why should the RFL want players to arrive and play for their clubs? What a stupid ridiculous use of RFL time, presumably they should stop helping Crusaders with their players visa problems too?'"
If Crusaders or HKA were asking for help organising paperwork I wouldnt have a problem.
Quote: Him "You keep saying circumvent the rules. Hull KR are playing by the rules as you yourself admit. Willie Mason has been granted a Tongan passport, by the Tongan Prime Minister, about as official as you'll ever get, he just hasn't received it yet. So considering Hull KR are playing by the rules set down in the RFL Operation Rules why shouldn't the RFL help them out with some delayed paperwork?
'"
they arent helping them out with the paperwork. They are expediting Hull KRs circumventing the rules when they should be doing what they can to stop circumventing the rules by all clubs.
Quote: Him "Don't be daft, you do yourself no credit whatsoever with this ridiculous paragraph.Your dislike for Hull KR, as evidenced by the pathetic continual use of "HKA", has blinkered you to the merits of the situation. I have no doubt if this were another club involved and the RFL had not allowed this action you would be blaming the RFL for not allowing a club to play a top class player.'"
it would be exactly the same whichever club

Quote: Him "The RFL have done exactly the right thing so far, they've been flexible and responsive with the rules to an exceptional situation'"
They have expedited a circumvention of their own rules to bring in another overseas player when their public position is to reduce those numbers and is what the rule was put in place for.
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Quote: Him "I'll ask you again, is this an exceptional situation or not? Because you seem a little confused on the issue

Which is it Smokey? Is it exceptional and worthy of discussion and possible dispensation by the RFL Board? Or not?'"
you have simply created a false argument. It is exceptional in the fact it isnt common. It isnt exceptional in it needs RFL dispensation to allow another overseas player to play in SL.

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Quote: Him "You really do seem very confused on this issue Smokey

So, again, which is it? Are Hull KR breaking the rules or not?'"

yes, but they are apparently receiving dispensation to do so.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "yes, but they are apparently receiving dispensation to do so.'"

But they aren't are they? In the HDM the RFL state that in cases such as this the RFL can apply discretion which they are doing no breaking of rules, no allowing breaking of rules. As I said in a previous post, just because you don't agree with the rules, it doesn't make it any less of a rule.

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