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| Quote: Nozzy "Yes I would perfectly happy with that situation. I could also see it working even if it takes a while. However if crowds didn't take to it and they continued to need extensive RFL funding even after 5/6/7 years, how long would they continue to get this before they either remove the funding or try again in a different area?
But yes, I do like the idea.'"
I dont know , but unless you try , you'll never find out , dont forget , we're not trying to produce a SL club here , just one that can stand on it's own two feet in Championship 1 | | |
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| Quote: Starbug "I dont know , but unless you try , you'll never find out , dont forget , we're not trying to produce a SL club here , just one that can stand on it's own two feet in Championship 1'"
I agree and I do think it would work. Even if the club still needs funding after a few years, as long as the required amount of funding is going down and not up that will show progress and, over time, they will (hopefully) increase support and become self sufficient allowing them the chance to progress the same as any other team.
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| Quote: Roy Haggerty "I guess, to make my post shorter, a sceptic might say that if we can't run a workable club in Wrexham, or get any decent crowds in places like London or Manchester, when they're playing in a full time proffessional competition with decent funding from Television , what chance would a similar club in a new area have, given it doesn't have the history/culture that these older clubs have ?'"
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| Quote: Nozzy "By "favoured establishment games" do you mean sports like Union and Tennis that the BBC etc seem to show favour to?'"
I used to work at one of the Sports Councils until 2004. It was abundantly clear that the majority of people who worked in the sports councils had an entirely traditionalist/establishment view of relative sporting value. The "big" male sports were rugby union, cricket, tennis, athletics (incl swimming's Olympic end) and soccer. Soccer was actually seen as the poor relation, but couldn't be ignored simply because of its sheer scale. The "big" female sports were rugby union, tennis and athletics, with substantial support for hockey and netball. They didn't bother with women's soccer much, but the Sports Councils gave women's RU more funding annually than the whole of RL, men's, women's and children's, put together. When Lewis got RL onto the "major sports" list of Sports England, he plugged us into a cash cow which the establishment sports had been sucking on for years, despite the fact that RU, tennis and cricket are actually very rich sports comparatively.
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| Quote: Starbug "NL 2 actually , not having it any way , you and others consider it a roaring success ,'" no i dont. | | |
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| Quote: Starbug "Just responding with the truth , instead of the ' spin ''"
or you're version of 'spin' hence your mistake when it came to the dates of what has happened. | | | |
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| Quote: Starbug "Because they were promoted using ilegal RL players out of NL2 another member club didn't get the chance for more fans, more visibility and better players than they did'"
You mean like Hull KR qualifying for the play offs using their overseas dispensation and more overseas players than anyone else and as such another member club didnt get the increased visibility, bigger attendances and better players a play-off appearance brings?
Quote: Starbug "The coach of any club will do whatever they can [ including ' bending ' the rules ] to be as competitive as they can , if anybody thinks they wouldn't , they are stupid'" | | |
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| Quote: Starbug "Top down hasn't really worked either , why / , as you say it takes time , that means money , lots of it
Has it been tried at lower tier properly ? , thing is you get 4/5 times as long for the same money , or you get 3/4 times as many goes at it for the same money
You're pessimistic ? , we're suicidal ![]()
Considering we have had one club, in over 90 years make the step up from amateur to semi-pro, and 0 go on to fully pro, we have proved organic growth doesnt work.
Putting them in the championship doesnt really help either, most clubs only get around 1k fans, which is similar to what crusaders got in the lower leagues, it proves nothing, it just makes it more difficult and less attractive to the people who are going to spend their money bring SL to a new area.
The answer is simple, offer SL to anyone who wants it. But give them time to build towards it. If Leicester RU want an SL operation, good. They can have one in 2016, we tell them today the enter the 2016 SL season. They enter the lower leagues with 0 overseas players and a minimum of 5 under 21's in 2012, 7 in 2013, 9 in 2014 and 11 in 2015. They then commit themselves to 10 years in SL and a full Salary Cap spend for all those years, if at any time they fold, the owners must pay £6m to the RFL.
Widnes should have been told last year. And we should be a closed shop, if you are in, you should be in in perpetuity. Get rid of the competitive aspect, you are in or our out on your own merits. We aim to expand the league every three years, and increase the payment from Sky every three years.
Some clubs are going to fail, some succeed, it has happened in every sport, every industry in the past and it will happen in the future.
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| I didn't think HKRs qouta is any different to any other, or were you being a little sarcy 
So nothing like HKR then | | |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "no i dont.'"
Thank god for that , I was begining to think you were a complete idiot | | |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "or you're version of 'spin' hence your mistake when it came to the dates of what has happened.'"
They used those 6 players to get promoted out of NL 2 , how do I know this ? , I watched them score the try's against Leigh in 2007 | | |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "You mean like Hull KR qualifying for the play offs using their overseas dispensation and more overseas players than anyone else and as such another member club didnt get the increased visibility, bigger attendances and better players a play-off appearance brings?
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They have players playing who dont have the correct work permits or Visa's ? 
Better tell the RFL or HM border control straight away 
Not actually here or working ilegally are they  | | |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Considering we have had one club, in over 90 years make the step up from amateur to semi-pro, and 0 go on to fully pro, we have proved organic growth doesnt work.
Putting them in the championship doesnt really help either, most clubs only get around 1k fans, which is similar to what crusaders got in the lower leagues, it proves nothing, it just makes it more difficult and less attractive to the people who are going to spend their money bring SL to a new area.
The answer is simple, offer SL to anyone who wants it. But give them time to build towards it. If Leicester RU want an SL operation, good. They can have one in 2016, we tell them today the enter the 2016 SL season. They enter the lower leagues with 0 overseas players and a minimum of 5 under 21's in 2012, 7 in 2013, 9 in 2014 and 11 in 2015. They then commit themselves to 10 years in SL and a full Salary Cap spend for all those years, if at any time they fold, the owners must pay £6m to the RFL.
Widnes should have been told last year. And we should be a closed shop, if you are in, you should be in in perpetuity. Get rid of the competitive aspect, you are in or our out on your own merits. We aim to expand the league every three years, and increase the payment from Sky every three years.
Some clubs are going to fail, some succeed, it has happened in every sport, every industry in the past and it will happen in the future.'"
Who was discussing SL ? | | |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Considering we have had one club, in over 90 years make the step up from amateur to semi-pro, and 0 go on to fully pro, we have proved organic growth doesnt work.
Putting them in the championship doesnt really help either, most clubs only get around 1k fans, which is similar to what crusaders got in the lower leagues, it proves nothing, it just makes it more difficult and less attractive to the people who are going to spend their money bring SL to a new area.
The answer is simple, offer SL to anyone who wants it. But give them time to build towards it. If Leicester RU want an SL operation, good. They can have one in 2016, we tell them today the enter the 2016 SL season. They enter the lower leagues with 0 overseas players and a minimum of 5 under 21's in 2012, 7 in 2013, 9 in 2014 and 11 in 2015. They then commit themselves to 10 years in SL and a full Salary Cap spend for all those years, if at any time they fold, the owners must pay £6m to the RFL.
Widnes should have been told last year. And we should be a closed shop, if you are in, you should be in in perpetuity. Get rid of the competitive aspect, you are in or our out on your own merits. We aim to expand the league every three years, and increase the payment from Sky every three years.
Some clubs are going to fail, some succeed, it has happened in every sport, every industry in the past and it will happen in the future.'"
Organic as in putting lots of ' bull ' on something and hoping it grows ? , your right , that has been tried , maybe if we put some money instead it might work | | |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Considering we have had one club, in over 90 years make the step up from amateur to semi-pro, and 0 go on to fully pro, we have proved organic growth doesnt work.
Putting them in the championship doesnt really help either, most clubs only get around 1k fans, which is similar to what crusaders got in the lower leagues, it proves nothing, it just makes it more difficult and less attractive to the people who are going to spend their money bring SL to a new area.
The answer is simple, offer SL to anyone who wants it. But give them time to build towards it. If Leicester RU want an SL operation, good. They can have one in 2016, we tell them today the enter the 2016 SL season. They enter the lower leagues with 0 overseas players and a minimum of 5 under 21's in 2012, 7 in 2013, 9 in 2014 and 11 in 2015. They then commit themselves to 10 years in SL and a full Salary Cap spend for all those years, if at any time they fold, the owners must pay £6m to the RFL.
Widnes should have been told last year. And we should be a closed shop, if you are in, you should be in in perpetuity. Get rid of the competitive aspect, you are in or our out on your own merits. We aim to expand the league every three years, and increase the payment from Sky every three years.
Some clubs are going to fail, some succeed, it has happened in every sport, every industry in the past and it will happen in the future.'"
So putting a club in the Championships isn't a good way of trying to produce a Championship club ? , maybe your right , we seem to put clubs in SL and end up with Championship level clubs all the time | | | |
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