You have absolutely no idea what I know.

If you think the costs of renting a 'modern' stadium + offices etc etc are not hugely more than staying put in that dump you are the one being simplistic.

So a club with debts, winding up orders and a chairman in an IVA may tell the SL licencing panel that they are taking an option that will significantly push up costs and cut revenues...smart move

Tbf didn't Saints say it was costing them a fortune to stay at Knowsley Road and keep it up to scratch? One of reasons their more than happy to play at Widnes!

Yeah, but they did things like put lightbulbs in the toilets at Knowsley Road

And its a fair point,the cost of just keeping an old stadium in a condition that it can gain a safety certificate is more than alot of people would imagine.

I have come into at the back end I know but firstly I don't think operating out of Oakwell will be that costly at all and possibly think it will be cheaper than operating out of Belle Vue.

What some seem not to realise is the actual cost of running any ground, and that is a cost Barnsley FC, and in Saints case Widnes, have to pay irrespective. So cost such as buildings insurance, contents insurance PL insurance, rates, rubbish costs, electricity, gas, kitchen staff, ground staff etc etc. These are roughly fixed costs and have to be paid by the owners. So if Wakefield come along and want to play at your ground it is a bonus and this is not Wembley or Old Trafford, where they can command big money because of the venue, it is Barnsley. The cost of renting Oakwell will be the cost directly associated with opening the ground for the extra fixture (stewards, bar & food staff etc) and then some profit to offset the overhead that the club has running the ground anyway. Wakefield don't have to stump up for all these and things like PL insurance costs for example for a ground are huge and they won't have that bill to pay and Barnsley might not even have to pay any increase in premium to cover the extra fixtures.

Wakefield and therefore the RFL will know exactly what the situation with Wakefield will be 28 days after the planning meeting on the 22nd. If everything is go, the contracts get signed and Yorkcourt are on site early 2011 with the RFL knowing (as Savills have already been appointed by the RFL to start the investigation work now) that Wakefield probably become the strongest bet out of the three of Wakefield, Castleford and Salford. Salford could now be the ones that are in real trouble with the majority of their money coming from the Local Authority.

You clearly have no idea what a ground charges to hire the facility for an event.(and that is before you get into how desperate the client needs a stadium) To suggest 'not that costly' is a laugh. Plus Wakey would still have to provide offices for all the business staff and coaches ( I assume they would insure these premises and contents and still use gas and electricity or is that conveniently forgotten). The range for stadium hire is £12k - £24K. Usually corporate hospitality is hit because the host ground will charge a profitable rate for themselvs and THEN the hirer must add some for themselves so either volumes are hammered or margins absolutely slashed. All the ground advertising wakey get now (and for most clubs this is an important income stream) will be more or less lost.

The RFL hire the Galpharm / Haliwell Jones / Keepmoat/KC stadiums etc so they know know the costs involved.

If the wakey board think a move to Oakwell does not have significant financial implications then further winding up orders await!

We can deduce all kinds of things, few of which will be provable. No-one knows what kind of deal Wakey could get at Barnsley. That’s not the issue anyway. The issue is, whether or not that would save them. Personally, I doubt it very much (if they are the club on the RFL’s hit list). Only a close to completion new stadium could possibly do that, and that isn’t certain either - it didn't help Leigh last time around.

I don’t know why you are having a go at this lad, he’s just looking positively at the situation his club face as it stands today; and I can perfectly understand that.

It looks certain that one club will drop out of Super league in order to make way for a Championship club. Who that club is is not certain. Only the RFL will know for sure. The same goes for the club who is to go up from the Championship.

I really can’t see what is gained by arguing about this.

C'mon you Vikings.

Am I the only one backing fax for the derby.

What derby?

Halifax Bradford, Halifax Huddersfield and Halifax Leeds.

Far too many then needed

Well would definitely be cool to see Fax back in SL.