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Quote: Dreamer "Your wrong on so many different levels - are you league freak??

We need better systems, better youth policies, better core skill development, better athletic development and better continual development for those players coaches and officials with potential. But then most people already know this.

We need to understand the Aus game but if we want to beat it we need something different - not just a clone. Not everything that comes out of aus is good.

Initially we may need a good aussie coach in a development role but ultimately we need to get some bright people involved in the game and control our own future.'"


Yes and no. Yes, he's wrong on many levels - no we don't [ineed[/i an Aussie coach (not even initially). We need to produce our own coaches of a standard high enough - which means giving them a shot in SL. And we need to learn once and for all to play high tempo Rugby League (in attack and defence) for 81 minutes. How long ago was it they appointent David Waite and how much progress did we make under that particular Australian?! I could be a little kinder about Tony Smith but it's the same story.

Joey - and I trust his honesty and RL brain - reckons we're every bit the match for Aus, we just can't stick it for 80 mins. And having been at practically every England/GB v Australia game, home and away for the last 20 years, I'd agree with him - rlhttp://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/same-old-story-for-hapless-poms/story-e6frext9-1225797950424rl

I know we've taken a few tw@ings over the last 10 years or so, but when we have turned up and rattled the Aussies, we've still (all but once or twice) bombed it in the last 15 mins.

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Quote: "How long ago was it they appointent David Waite and how much progress did we make under that particular Australian?!'"


well we where winning for 75mins under waite...tony smith reduced that to 60mins icon_lol.gif

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Quote: roughyedspud "well we where winning for 75mins under waite...tony smith reduced that to 60mins
Fair enough. Although Sydney 2002 (despite the kamikazi nature of the crazy 'one off' test match) was the biggest embrassment I ever witnessed, and that was under Waite. I'll never forgive him. I mean, Karl Pratt... what the..?!

- Mind you, Chris Bridge?!! icon_biggrin.gifOH:

Ok, let's get this going again... Who would you REALISTICALLY have in the top job in English Rugby League and youth development? I've already said Kear but he seems to be waivering already and I know nobody else capable enough, that's homegrown.

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Quote: oxford-pie-eater "Yes and no. Yes, he's wrong on many levels - no we don't [ineed[/i an Aussie coach (not even initially). We need to produce our own coaches of a standard high enough - which means giving them a shot in SL. And we need to learn once and for all to play high tempo Rugby League (in attack and defence) for 81 minutes. '"



How much longer are you going to faff about trying to come up with a system to beat Australia,you have buggered about for nearly 40 years with no success,you just have to do something about it,...believe me we Australians are bored to death when we play England,they aren't exciting to watch any more.....your admin just have to take their head out of the sand. icon_sad.gif icon_sad.gif

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Quote: oxford-pie-eater "Yes and no. Yes, he's wrong on many levels - no we don't [ineed[/i an Aussie coach (not even initially). We need to produce our own coaches of a standard high enough - which means giving them a shot in SL. And we need to learn once and for all to play high tempo Rugby League (in attack and defence) for 81 minutes. '"



How much longer are you going to faff about trying to come up with a system to beat Australia,you have buggered about for nearly 40 years with no success,you just have to do something about it,...believe me we Australians are bored to death when we play England,they aren't exciting to watch any more.....your admin just have to take their head out of the sand...the fact that you played 4 front rowers in the final against Australia proves something is drastically wrong with the game in England. No matter what you chose to think,England are LIGHT YEARS behind us in the game.

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Quote: roughyedspud "well we where winning for 75mins under waite...tony smith reduced that to 60mins
WHAT A PATHETIC EXCUSE.

Just for your education the rule book clearly states,

AT THE END OF 80 MINUTES PLAY THE TEAM HAVING SCORED THE MOST POINTS SHALL BE DECLARED THE WINNER. nothing mentioned about the team leading after 60 or 75 minutes.........Grow up, you were thrashed by 30 points in 80 minutes.it was the Greyhounds v the Carthorses.

People will look back in 20 years time and still wet themselves when they see England played 4 front rowers at thesame time in the final of the Four Nations Trophy

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Quote: 10940 "No matter what you chose to think,England are LIGHT YEARS behind us in the game.'"


For those that agree with you, you're pointing out the blindingly obvious and for those that don't, you're adding nothing. This thread's about a new England coach.

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Quote: 10940 "AT THE END OF 80 MINUTES PLAY THE TEAM HAVING SCORED THE MOST POINTS SHALL BE DECLARED THE WINNER. nothing mentioned about the team leading after 60 or 75 minutes.........Grow up'"

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Quote: 10940 "you were thrashed by 30 points in 80 minutes.it was the Greyhounds v the Carthorses.'"

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Quote: 10940 "People will look back in 20 years time and still wet themselves when they see England played 4 front rowers at thesame time in the final of the Four Nations Trophy'"

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I'd like to see influences from other sports at the top (RFL).
Even someone like Woodward could possibly add something to the table.

If we want to beat the Aussies we're going to
a) Get a LOT more juniors involved
b) Come up with something very different

Maybe look to the NFL for tips on power, maybe not tips even analyse full coaching setups, top level martial arts for balance and control of movement, core stability, even soccer could probably teach us a thing or two.

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Quote: Dico "I'd like to see influences from other sports at the top (RFL).
Even someone like Woodward could possibly add something to the table.

If we want to beat the Aussies we're going to
a) Get a LOT more juniors involved
b) Come up with something very different

Maybe look to the NFL for tips on power, maybe not tips even analyse full coaching setups, top level martial arts for balance and control of movement, core stability, even soccer could probably teach us a thing or two.'"



Are you by any chance the guy who is trying to run the forum Rugby League Today?
I seem to see similarities in your posts to the ones Dicko posts on his abortion of a forum....if it is you,you will have noticed how a decent forum is run,and without little AIMz.

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Quote: oxford-pie-eater "l'"




10940 wrote: you were thrashed by 30 points in 80 minutes.it was the Greyhounds v the Carthorses.

Incorrect .

Sorry mate,it's only your wishful thinking that makes you say incorrect,just watch the replay again(if you dare) and you will see the vast difference in pace. icon_surprised.gifops: icon_surprised.gifops:

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Quote: oxford-pie-eater "

I cant ever remember you rattling us,we give you a hammering every time we play you. please mate,you might be fooling yourself with this post but you ain't fooling anyone else,..just accept the facts,YOU ARE LIGHT YEARS BEHIND US IN RL. icon_razz.gif icon_rolleyes.gif

PS What do you mean by"thelast ten years??? It's nearly 40 years sinceyou beat us.

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Quote: 10940 "WHAT A PATHETIC EXCUSE.

'"


Now, now, don't start shouting and get yourself worked up, we don't want you to start insulting everyone and get banned under this name as well. You'll have to fall back on your other hobby of wearing the Phil Gould mask and tugging yourself off into a mirror.

Be a good boy and take the medicine then come back when you have something meaningful to contribute.

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Quote: 10940 "you were thrashed by 30 points in 80 minutes.it was the Greyhounds v the Carthorses.'"


Quote: 10940 "Incorrect'"


Quote: 10940 "Sorry mate,it's only your wishful thinking that makes you say incorrect,just watch the replay again(if you dare) and you will see the vast difference in pace.
I've watched the game a few times, as have others I'm sure. Did you watch it?

I know it counts for nothing at the end of the 80, and you're only here to get a rise out of someone, but don't make out we're light years behind. English RL fans accept we have to improve and that we don't have a Greg Inglis or Darren Lockyer.

Now jog on...

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yeah we did'nt do bad considering we have no backs & our halfbacks are kids..nah not bad at all to beat the world champions and run the aussies close for an hour...not bad at all i reckon

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