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| Well I feel for the fans enormously as a Bradford fan. The communication they have been getting is extremely poor, and I'm not certain the most recent interview illuminates matters all that much. Objective one is to ensure Leigh continue to exist at all. Objective two would be to somehow avoid relegation. Sadly I don't see with the predicament they are in, the player deficit and coaching uncertainty that they can avoid the drop.
I know just how frustrating it is to start a championship season in the certain knowledge of relegation. Annoying but tempered in my case by the relief of having a club to support at all.
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| Quote: Newbridge_Wolf "Correct me if I’m wrong, but if the contracts of the two players involved would take up 40% of the budget, what’s he’s saying is they can in fact afford to honour the contracts they signed, they’re just going to hack off their nose to spite their face and choose to go bust as some sort of blackmail to welch on their commitments?'"
This was my take on that article too. DB has pretty much just admitted that they have the money to honour the contracts - he just doesn't want to.
I feel for the Leigh fans and hope this all gets resolved somehow, but I can't help but think that the best thing for Leigh Centurions would be for DB to have no more involvement with the club going forward.
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| Quote: Nothus "This was my take on that article too. DB has pretty much just admitted that they have the money to honour the contracts - he just doesn't want to.
I feel for the Leigh fans and hope this all gets resolved somehow, but I can't help but think that the best thing for Leigh Centurions would be for DB to have no more involvement with the club going forward.'"
I dont think he want much more involvement in the club after this season,i believe he has little interest in financing part time rl.The problems that the club have now are DBs problem and its up to him to sort them out.It'll be at that point the club can start sorting itself out.
The fans should not be asked to put money into the club until all this season financial problem have been dealt with
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| Derek Beaumont gave these contracts so he should honour them before he walks away and let Leigh start again there just in limbo at the moment because of him
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| What a mess DB has got them into. He ought to honour those contracts and walk away but I suspect he has made massive loans to the club and he doesn't want to write those off. That's the sticking point.
I can see administration being the only option.
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| Quote: Bullseye "What a mess DB has got them into. He ought to honour those contracts and walk away but I suspect he has made massive loans to the club and he doesn't want to write those off. That's the sticking point.
I can see administration being the only option.'"
Me too.
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| Quote: Bullseye "What a mess DB has got them into. He ought to honour those contracts and walk away but I suspect he has made massive loans to the club and he doesn't want to write those off. That's the sticking point.
I can see administration being the only option.'"
Is administration an option when you actually have the capital available to pay off the creditors but just don't want to?
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| Quote: Sir Kevin Sinfield "Jean and myself were spot on with our predictions (ok Toronto didn’t go up) despite the ridicule we faced through the year. I guess there’s a lesson to learn, respect other people’s opinion or it could end up biting you on the backside.'"
So you weren't spot on then were you...
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| Quote: Alan "Ah, at last, someone who has seen the players' contracts!
Only RFL approved clauses are allowed in players' contracts. Whilst there is one to permit termination of the contract on relegation (at least from SL, not sure about C to L1) one for failing to make Top 4/promotion isn't.
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| Quote: Bullseye "I think actually DB would have to close the business.
Guidance here:
Not really an option as the creditors would just object to the striking off.
Putting the club in admin isn't an option either because the funds are there to pay the creditors.
This will end with either Leigh paying the players what they are owed, or the players accepting the offer from Leigh.
I suspect DB has broken his silence now to try and guilt trip the players currently holding our for their full pay.
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| Quote: Nothus "Not really an option as the creditors would just object to the striking off.
Putting the club in admin isn't an option either because the funds are there to pay the creditors.
This will end with either Leigh paying the players what they are owed, or the players accepting the offer from Leigh.
I suspect DB has broken his silence now to try and guilt trip the players currently holding our for their full pay.'"
Presumably the distinction is whether funds are there for 'Leigh' to honour those contracts, or if the funds belong to Beaumont? If 'Sporting Club Leigh Ltd' can afford to pay, then it simply becomes a contractual dispute between the players and the club. It's hard to see if that's the case given that the business accounts for Sporting Club Leigh Ltd rlare more than a month overduerl.
The the ability to pay the players is contingent on another injection of cash from Beaumont (ie a director's loan) that isn't forthcoming, then as the link from Bullsye says, he has three options - sell, appoint a new director or wind the club up.
My gut feeling is that there is an element of brinkmanship to this and Beaumont is pressuring the relevant parties to agree to an arrangement. If the club were to fold, the two players in question would face a protracted and expensive legal battle to most likey end up with the square-root of Jack.
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| Quote: bramleyrhino "Presumably the distinction is whether funds are there for 'Leigh' to honour those contracts, or if the funds belong to Beaumont? If 'Sporting Club Leigh Ltd' can afford to pay, then it simply becomes a contractual dispute between the players and the club. It's hard to see if that's the case given that the business accounts for Sporting Club Leigh Ltd rlare more than a month overduerl.
The the ability to pay the players is contingent on another injection of cash from Beaumont (ie a director's loan) that isn't forthcoming, then as the link from Bullsye says, he has three options - sell, appoint a new director or wind the club up.
My gut feeling is that there is an element of brinkmanship to this and Beaumont is pressuring the relevant parties to agree to an arrangement. If the club were to fold, the two players in question would face a protracted and expensive legal battle to most likey end up with the square-root of Jack.'"
I'm just basing things on the quotes from DB in the article.
Quote: bramleyrhino ""When 40% of your playing budget would be taken up by those two players, that you're trying to arrange to move on, it leaves very small amount of money to recruit 20 players.
"If I gave a coach that money they'd be in League One the following year."'"
That makes it sound like the central funding can cover the liabilities but wouldn't leave them with much to build the rest of the squad.
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| Monies owed to employees are taken out of the pot before preferential creditors such as the crown or the banks who own debentures. However, the last accounts show that Leigh are massively insolvent so there is no money to pay any debts. Even if DB was to write off the money owed to his other company, Leigh are still insolvent. (This is all based on the 2017 accounts by the way, the 2018 accounts are overdue and I doubt they will get filed anyway)
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| Quote: Ruune Rebellion "Monies owed to employees are taken out of the pot before preferential creditors such as the crown or the banks who own debentures. However, the last accounts show that Leigh are massively insolvent so there is no money to pay any debts. Even if DB was to write off the money owed to his other company, Leigh are still insolvent. (This is all based on the 2017 accounts by the way, the 2018 accounts are overdue and I doubt they will get filed anyway)'"
As you say employees are preferential creditors but they come second in line to secured creditors (and the insolvency practitioner).
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